BF 109 G-4 Advantages over G-2

[Dazven]

So, I've been doing some reading on the BF 109 G-4 as I just picked up BoK the other day and I am slightly confused. From my research I have found nothing that really seperates it from the G-2 other than the transparent headrest rather than just removing it. On some of what I read it was stated that the G-4 was identical to the G-2 in performance.

So my question is if what I have researched wrong(Or not telling me everything) or does the G-4 not offer any gain over the G-2 other than the transparent headrest?

I really am kind of disappointed if it is identical, but either way I'm getting what I want out of this amazing expansion.

Thanks.

[Phantomox]

none,infact the G4 weighs a tad more.
historically, i think it had a different radio,larger tail wheel,some reinforcing of the air frame and some other minor rubbish..
no idea why its included,i think about 1200 of them were made,so i guess thats a reason.

at any rate,in the current enviroment,the F4 is the best performer of the 109's.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Z Simmox:

none,infact the G4 weighs a tad more.
historically, i think it had a different radio,larger tail wheel,some reinforcing of the air frame and some other minor rubbish..
no idea why its included,i think about 1200 of them were made,so i guess thats a reason.

at any rate,in the current enviroment,the F4 is the best performer of the 109's.

Kind of disappointed then. I would have rather preferred to see something like the G-6(There were a ton more made than the G-4 or F-4 that is for sure) as it actually has something to make it worth flying.

I am still getting what I wanted out of it, but why is this even a selling point for the expansion? It's like they just slapped a new name on the G-2 with some tiny changes and declared it as a new aircraft.

Oh well, guess I'll stick with the F-4 and the FW 190 A-5.

[Trupobaw]

Originally posted by Z Simmox:

no idea why its included,i think about 1200 of them were made,so i guess thats a reason.

So people who don't own BoS have a 109 G variant, too?

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Trupobaw:

Originally posted by Z Simmox:

no idea why its included,i think about 1200 of them were made,so i guess thats a reason.

So people who don't own BoS have a 109 G variant, too?

Ooops, misread that read that "those who do", the only G variants are in BoK and BoS. So yes, but only if you own BoK.

[Tenko]

The devs only put planes that were in the theater the map is in "Stalingrad,Moscow ect" and dont add airplanes based on Balence. Even though (SPOILERALERT!!!!) the germans lost. Their logic behind adding the He111-8 then the Ju-88 and lastly He111-16 which are all horriable bombers compared to the respective Pe-2'87 - pe-2'35 - A-20 Havoc.

Whats sad is the level of realism stops to a point however they warcry "REALISTIC" but expect the germans and russian planes to have a fair fight and not fight in Arcadic fashion like having a dogfight only 0.5km over the airfield you just took off from.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Tenko:

The devs only put planes that were in the theater the map is in "Stalingrad,Moscow ect"

Then we should have far more aircraft for both sides wouldn't you think? This is considering that one of the largest produced 109 variants the G-6 was released mid-late 1943 and the engagement itself lasted through early-mid 1944.

Edit: With a bit of Google maps it does look like they were definitely pushed out of Kuban by 1944, however considering the introduction I would still say that variants like the G-6 would be fitting. I'm not saying put in every single plane for balance, honestly I hate balancing a flight sim. Me wanting it is for the sake of having more diverse aircraft that fit fairly close to the time period and will have benefits to choosing it over a 109 such as the F4 (I mean that is about the only 109 everybody will play due to the other two not really worth it if they are out to win).

[Major Problem]

Are you serious? The most important difference is the engine. It's not limited like the G2, so you can push it to emergency levels (at your own risk) while the G2 is limited to combat mode which can run for nearly 30 min.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Major Problem:

Are you serious? The most important difference is the engine. It's not limited like the G2, so you can push it to emergency levels (at your own risk) while the G2 is limited to combat mode which can run for nearly 30 min.

Can you get some more specific info on that which allows for such? My understanding was that the entire G series used the same engine.

I haven't been able to find a single thing that really differentiates the G-4 from the G-2 other than very slight non-performance changes.

[Tenko]

Originally posted by Sunset Shimmer (Daz):

Then we should have far more aircraft for both sides wouldn't you think? This is considering that one of the largest produced 109 variants the G-6 was released mid-late 1943 and the engagement itself lasted through early-mid 1944.

Edit: With a bit of Google maps it does look like they were definitely pushed out of Kuban by 1944, however considering the introduction I would still say that variants like the G-6 would be fitting. I'm not saying put in every single plane for balance, honestly I hate balancing a flight sim. Me wanting it is for the sake of having more diverse aircraft that fit fairly close to the time period and will have benefits to choosing it over a 109 such as the F4 (I mean that is about the only 109 everybody will play due to the other two not really worth it if they are out to win).

I would actually like Aircraft Balencing (as in adding aircraft not tweaking plane statistics) So having of the MEe- type heavy-attack aircraft/bombers, Devs try to argue "REALISIM" when realisticly, GERMANY LOST BOTH OF THOSE BATTLES. and they realisticly THEY ARE LOSING IN MP ASWELL. German forces have more players but Russia wins 9/10 times. Not because of skilled pilots but because simpler aircraft and systems. This game's realisim is not 100% it is only 90% at best. its sad but true. Server Statistics prove it. Its time the balence the game with other aircraft, since the Russians get all the love (Russian Bias) Spitfires,P40's, P39s and A20s (Oh my) The only people who play german are either new or die hard lovers of those planes. While Russians get easy mode planes and more important/effect planes. Seems very biased and it is.

[Daymo]

Both the same engine, it's just the G4 is able to use all the engine power. Where as the G2 was limited in its ATA because it would destroy the engine.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Daymo:

Both the same engine, it's just the G4 is able to use all the engine power. Where as the G2 was limited in its ATA because it would destroy the engine.

Ahhh okay, thanks for the info. Once all these finals for college are over i will have to start flying it more as i have been rather disappointed with the FW 190 A-5 (Doesn't really suit me as well as the 109s do, the attractor was better visibility).

Been a bit hard for me to scrounge up info for some of the 109 variants, may just have to pick up some books on them.

Anyway, much appreciated for clearing it up. I look forward to my experiences with it.

[Major Problem]

When the DB605 A1 engine came out, there were a lot of issues and they restricted the output to 1.2 ATA. That limitation was present in the G2. Later on, the limit was removed, which you can see in the G4.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Major Problem:

When the DB605 A1 engine came out, there were a lot of issues and they restricted the output to 1.2 ATA. That limitation was present in the G2. Later on, the limit was removed, which you can see in the G4.

Okay, that is a definite difference then. Makes me question why sites including Wikipedia that state that ot has identical performance I'd definitely call this not identical even if they use the same info.

Thanks

[Major Problem]

From memory, I think the G4 also has some more weight, larger landing gear and non-retactable tail wheel. That could also cause more drag which can offset some of the benefits.

You can see the bumps on the wings of the G4 which had to be modified to house the larger front wheels.

[WilhelM240i]

About Airwar in Russia, Germans transfered worn out engines and models from western to eastern front for some extra usage because of which reasons ???
And why you had to get 100 kills on eastern front for knights cross and on western front much less ?? HAH ?
25 b17 for knights cross p.e.
Germans won in killstatistics by far but lost the war because it simply didnt matter how much planes the russians lost !
Same goes for soldiers or tanks. Just google how much stuff only Murmansk recieved from USA alone! Then russian factories and supplies over british occupated persia! And who asked persians about british occupation? For me its same crime as Germany and poland foked poland together! And in the end germans were bad ? And Lost ? For me they won ! We stll use their tactics and trainings, no matter how good russians can lie .... i speak only about military stuff, dont come up with crimes...red army was holy , no?