[SPOILERS] Why is Liu Kang, Kitana, Kung Lao all older non revenant in versus?

[Rose]

But in the singleplayer they never get out of their non revenant forms. ♥♥♥♥ doesn't make any sense at all.

[Offline]

Makes no sense at all unless there like paying homage to there there non revenant versions which should have been lost forever with the sorcerers death?

[Kanreol]

there are revenant costumes for all of them btw

[Rose]

Originally posted by Kanreol:

there are revenant costumes for all of them btw

That's not really relevant to the discussion.

[terryble04]

They can be in revenant versions once you've unlocked the applicable skins as it seems to be chosen at random (I've found myself fighting future raiden at one point). However I agree though, in versus their default skins should have been the revenants, with the player unlocking their older human skins.

[Rose]

Originally posted by terryble04:

They can be in revenant versions once you've unlocked the applicable skins as it seems to be chosen at random (I've found myself fighting future raiden at one point). However I agree though, in versus their default skins should have been the revenants, with the player unlocking their older human skins.

Okay that's...not the point the point is that the old version of them are not in the story at all and aren't explained AT ALL the reason they even have an old verison of them makes 0 SENSE AT ALL

[Peerington]

The creation of these older characters or non-revenants has to do with just fan service. It can also serve as a What-if scenario.

In the Concept Art, they mention about this

[narshkajke]

sub and scorpion also never wear their default costume in story mode, it's just there because it's a new and updated looks for the characters, so the discussion on forum about the true identity of the new unscarred sub zero is moot, it's just a default costumes in the game that have no correlation with story mode.

[terryble04]

Originally posted by Rose:

Originally posted by terryble04:

They can be in revenant versions once you've unlocked the applicable skins as it seems to be chosen at random (I've found myself fighting future raiden at one point). However I agree though, in versus their default skins should have been the revenants, with the player unlocking their older human skins.

Okay that's...not the point the point is that the old version of them are not in the story at all and aren't explained AT ALL the reason they even have an old verison of them makes 0 SENSE AT ALL

In the story mode, you do get to see the human Kung Lao and Liu Kang (ie the flashback boat scene). You just don't have them in an actual gameplay fight. Therefore the assets for them are in the story mode (I assume the story renders use the same assets).
You could answer having a future raiden makes no sense at all as well, but i could argue that against the whole game :) Its just more content for users, which in my book is no bad thing (as long as all of it isn't paid DLC.

[Rose]

Originally posted by terryble04:

Originally posted by Rose:

Okay that's...not the point the point is that the old version of them are not in the story at all and aren't explained AT ALL the reason they even have an old verison of them makes 0 SENSE AT ALL

In the story mode, you do get to see the human Kung Lao and Liu Kang (ie the flashback boat scene). You just don't have them in an actual gameplay fight. Therefore the assets for them are in the story mode (I assume the story renders use the same assets).
You could answer having a future raiden makes no sense at all as well, but i could argue that against the whole game :) Its just more content for users, which in my book is no bad thing (as long as all of it isn't paid DLC. :mkbear:

Uh you see them IN THE PAST as their young around MK9 selves so that's not really relevant either lol but yeah.

[terryble04]

Originally posted by Rose:

Originally posted by terryble04:

In the story mode, you do get to see the human Kung Lao and Liu Kang (ie the flashback boat scene). You just don't have them in an actual gameplay fight. Therefore the assets for them are in the story mode (I assume the story renders use the same assets).
You could answer having a future raiden makes no sense at all as well, but i could argue that against the whole game :) Its just more content for users, which in my book is no bad thing (as long as all of it isn't paid DLC.

Uh you see them IN THE PAST as their young around MK9 selves so that's not really relevant either lol but yeah.

Um, which has exactly answered all your queries. they are in the story mode (IN THE PAST) and the reason you fight the older versions in versus is because you aint unlocked their revenant skins yet. Coherent argument much?

[Rose]

Originally posted by terryble04:

Originally posted by Rose:

Uh you see them IN THE PAST as their young around MK9 selves so that's not really relevant either lol but yeah.

Um, which has exactly answered all your queries. they are in the story mode (IN THE PAST) and the reason you fight the older versions in versus is because you aint unlocked their revenant skins yet. Coherent argument much?

But if you've played the story the older versions of them aren't even a thing so there's no reason for them to be like that.

[terryble04]

Originally posted by Rose:

Originally posted by terryble04:

Um, which has exactly answered all your queries. they are in the story mode (IN THE PAST) and the reason you fight the older versions in versus is because you aint unlocked their revenant skins yet. Coherent argument much?

But if you've played the story the older versions of them aren't even a thing so there's no reason for them to be like that.

i've already explained that they are in the story (although set in the past and you don't get to use or fight them in gameplay terms). But the assets are there so they've modelled them and you have seen them as their past selves (so they are as you say 'a thing'. I've already agreed with you though that the revenants should have been the default versions, with the older selves as unlockables. I can't really add anything more so I'll leave it at that.

[Peerington]

Let's all agree to this.....they made older versions just to cover up story mode :P

[Teaspoon]

The reason why older Liu & Co have their older appearances in the game and not in the story is fan service. It's explained in the Concept Art notes that these versions of the characters are "What If?" versions of the characters who were designed to appear the way they would have appeared if they didn't become Revenants and had aged alongside the other characters.

The reason why these what if costumes appear as their default costumes is for multiple reasons. One it's what the fans want/expect. Two they don't want to spoil the story, and Three because they didn't want the player select screen to be filled with Revenant characters.

Originally posted by terryble04:

Um, which has exactly answered all your queries. they are in the story mode (IN THE PAST) and the reason you fight the older versions in versus is because you aint unlocked their revenant skins yet. Coherent argument much?

Originally posted by terryble04:

i've already explained that they are in the story (although set in the past and you don't get to use or fight them in gameplay terms). But the assets are there so they've modelled them and you have seen them as their past selves (so they are as you say 'a thing'. I've already agreed with you though that the revenants should have been the default versions, with the older selves as unlockables. I can't really add anything more so I'll leave it at that.

No, what you're saying isn't true.

The situation I explained above is the reason why things are the way they are. It's confirmed in the concept art and on the live steams Neatherrealm has done.

What Rose was asking was why their older selves costumes appear at all given that the majority of the (non-DLC) costumes actually appear in the Story Mode, and as I explained above it was entirely for fan-service reasons. It has nothing to with what costumes you've unlocked.

Also their older outfit art assests weren't already there. They had to be made. They were made specifically for the players who are fans of Liu Kang, Kung Lao, and Kitana who didn't want to play as their Revenant forms. It was also (according to Neatherrealm) a fun project for their artists getting to design older (non-canon) versions of the characters.

[terryble04]

Originally posted by tas7284:

The reason why older Liu & Co have their older appearances in the game and not in the story is fan service. It's explained in the Concept Art notes that these versions of the characters are "What If?" versions of the characters who were designed to appear the way they would have appeared if they didn't become Revenants and had aged alongside the other characters.

The reason why these what if costumes appear as their default costumes is for multiple reasons. One it's what the fans want/expect. Two they don't want to spoil the story, and Three because they didn't want the player select screen to be filled with Revenant characters.

Originally posted by terryble04:

Um, which has exactly answered all your queries. they are in the story mode (IN THE PAST) and the reason you fight the older versions in versus is because you aint unlocked their revenant skins yet. Coherent argument much?

Originally posted by terryble04:

i've already explained that they are in the story (although set in the past and you don't get to use or fight them in gameplay terms). But the assets are there so they've modelled them and you have seen them as their past selves (so they are as you say 'a thing'. I've already agreed with you though that the revenants should have been the default versions, with the older selves as unlockables. I can't really add anything more so I'll leave it at that.

No, what you're saying isn't true.

The situation I explained above is the reason why things are the way they are. It's confirmed in the concept art and on the live steams Neatherrealm has done.

What Rose was asking was why their older selves costumes appear at all given that the majority of the (non-DLC) costumes actually appear in the Story Mode, and as I explained above it was entirely for fan-service reasons. It has nothing to with what costumes you've unlocked.

Also their older outfit art assests weren't already there. They had to be made. They were made specifically for the players who are fans of Liu Kang, Kung Lao, and Kitana who didn't want to play as their Revenant forms. It was also (according to Neatherrealm) a fun project for their artists getting to design older (non-canon) versions of the characters.

Didn't want to respond on this thread again, but had to seeing the 'isn't true' bit.

Liu and Kung appear in non revenant forms in story mode, that is fact. (so thus true).
In versus+tower modes, the skins you face seem to be chosen at random from all the skins available to you that you have unlocked (so thus again true).

The reasons why developers have decided on which models should be default I can quite understand, but please don't accuse other posters of lying thanks.