Ermac - Force Lift and Tele Lift

[Mesarthim]

Hello all,

I was starting to play Ermac, Trying to understand him and all his variations and noticed how low the damage for Force Lift / Tele Lift are... (down, back, X (+RT))
I was wondering if there was a reason? If yes, how do you chain it to make it worth the low damage?

In Mystic, Force Lift does 3% damage but well, it paralyze the opponent first so... I can get over that since it allows a lot more... However, you still need to recast the move only to get 3%.

But, in the other variation, it does 4% damage only... Even when powered Tele Lift is still doing 4% damage and I do not see any difference to the move (meaning, nothing which would make a combo possible since the opponent is slam flat on the ground, doesn't bounce or anything)

Is there a reason behind this very low damage? And why Tele Lift is exactly the same? What would be the use of Tele Lift if it's identical to Force Lift? Is there a deadly combo abuse behind it? At first I thought it was because it was unblockable but turns out, it's not.

To compare with Kenshi in his Telekinetic variation, his move is doing 12% damage and it's practically the same move.

I know there were complaints about Ermac behing OP but still, that move is really low.
He also has some combo doing low damage, only 8% for 5 hits (back Y, A+B, X, Y) but I was guessing the reason was because of the distance you can make this combo from.
I didn't really try but I guess the combo cancel on this move is not really effective.

Looks like Tele Lift / Force Lift would do quite some damage but then you see that low 4% =/
Maybe I'm wrong and it doesn't hurt that much to have your head smashed on the ground?

[K9999]

A lot a characters got nerfed for normal people( like ermac or mileena), so we have to focus on pro play now with such characters.
Idk about these changes, cuz u could easy adopt too there playstyles, but now you have to know all the combos for lauchchers etc. even in low tier, so yea, nrs wants us to... try hard or go home so yea.....(nothing to say about this....)

[NeonDrare]

Maybe it is a question about balance,if you use the special bar with down,back X+ RT you can do a combo while the opponent is in the air.

[Mesarthim]

@Neondrare: I tried to do something with the powered version AKA Tele Lift but I didn't succeed, I can't find any difference in between the two moves =(

The opponent just fall flat which would end any combo actually.
So it's really puzzling me. lol

@Monty Burns: Ya, I tried to watch some video of pro players (though it's the kind of thing really boring me to watch) and I found use in the Force Lift with the Mystic variation since it allows a lot of dirty combo.

However, I didn't see any use for Tele Lift or combo using it.

I saw a practically infinite combo with the Master of Souls variation, though this was probably nerfed as it required the paralysis of the soul ball... Only thing they needed to do to nerf it is to slow down the pop of the souls.

Other than that, I saw a lot of Hatred for Ermac and especially for people playing Ermac.
But still, reducing damage to 3 and 4% =/ Seems a bit like over doing it.

For Mileena, I can understand, she's always been a very strong character, I even saw a world championship final being won with her on MK9... (was vs Raiden I think)
So I guess she needed a lot of balance in MKX as well to prevent her from being so OP.

I vaguely tried Triborg - Smoke and it seemed really abused to me with the possibility of combo... Not a pro here but this character seems really OP especially when comparing with Ermac.

[K9999]

https://www.youtube.com/user/PNDKetchup/videos
I can only commend this too you, thers an casual to pro playlist.

[NeonDrare]

Here are some combos with Ermac (master of souls) some of them are really easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocijvj7-sYU

[K9999]

@Neondrare, dude, the combos are pre patch....

[NeonDrare]

Originally posted by Monty Burns:

@Neondrare, dude, the combos are pre patch....

I didn't see,but some of them still work but I don't known about damage at least him can see that as a base for Ermac combos with down,back X+RT and Teleport (down,back B(+RT) about the last combos.

[K9999]

Sure, but, you should not post some 2015 vids after the new patch tbh.

[Mesarthim]

I saw something like that before for the master of souls variation, looks like it's the prefered variation of most players.
Even though, they're not using force lift that much or only as a "finisher", using soul ball and soul release for the most part (and I can understand that)
But I don't see them using Tele Lift though... Which is still for me a useless waste of a power bar for a mere 4%.

Looking at Monty Burn's youtube page he shared, first thing I see "why is smoke the best triborg?" lol !!

I don't see Ermac right away in the list, searching a bit but he doesn't seem to be a favorite anymore... Which probably means they nerfed him too much?