Looks like Concord's back on the menu.

[DmonHiro]

In all seriousness, yeah, this is going the exact way of Concord. 40$ game when everyone else is free? Strike one. Terrible art design? Strike two. Characters that look like crap? Strike three. You're out.

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if it has a player count peak of 700 players like concord i will come back here and admit my naivety

That won't actually happen. You need to do some extra steps to get a player count THAT low, and I doubt they're stupid enough to do another free beta test. Without that beta test Concord would have had a higher peak player count. It would still have failed miserably, but I think 5k would have been their peak. Which is what I'll give this.

listen ill take your word for it. i dont think this game is going to be some crazy success.

it's an inherently niche genre. its completely different from what bungie has done before.
a lot of the destiny 2 audience isnt fully on board with the game since they are pve players. they will have to rely almost completely on the extraction shooter audience to like it.
that being said, i want the game to succeed. the cinematic short they released was fantastic, and overall i think bungie did a good job of creating a world that people would want to explore. thats obviously all subjective, a lot of people absolutely hate the look and vibe of the game which is totally fine. there are so many games that i just despise how they look and feel to play but tons of people like it so i just accept that i like different things.

[Bobo]

Escape from Tarkov and Hunt are both premium titles

[Aleuvian]

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In all seriousness, yeah, this is going the exact way of Concord. 40$ game when everyone else is free? Strike one. Terrible art design? Strike two. Characters that look like crap? Strike three. You're out.

Not even this, though.
It's a PAID extraction shooter being released almost 3 full years after the extraction shooter 'fad' died down when every other extraction shooter has failed because it is an incredibly niche genre that most people don't play. Cheating is rampant in these kind of games and Bungie can't even handle cheating in Destiny 2, much less a heavily focused PvPvE game.

Art style isn't the damning factor here, but the core design and principle of an extraction shooter is a massive put-off to the vast majority of players, and Marathon is a bland game releasing in a saturated market.

[DmonHiro]

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It's a PAID extraction shooter being released almost 3 full years after the extraction shooter 'fad' died down

Yeah, leave it to Bungie to strike when the iron is frozen. Then again, this may have started development when the fad was still going, just like Concord. Which is no excuse. At some point you need to cut your loses and get out while you can. Ironically, just like in an extraction shooter.

AND for a price. This is what baffles me. How can they think this is a good idea?

[Aleuvian]

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Yeah, leave it to Bungie to strike when the iron is frozen. AND for a price. This is what baffles me. How can they think this is a good idea?

Bungie has never been a 'quick' developer and they committed to Marathon as Destiny 2 was winding down in development, but picked just about the worst genre to commit to. Extraction shooters can't even scale their audience up like an RPG-shooter like Destiny could.

They started development when games like Marauders were coming out to massive wishlists and community praise, then stuck to it while those same games failed and were abandoned by their developers because, as it turns out, appealing to the tiny audience that Tarkov has isn't great when Tarkov's audience already has the game they want.

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It's a PAID extraction shooter being released almost 3 full years after the extraction shooter 'fad' died down

Yeah, leave it to Bungie to strike when the iron is frozen. Then again, this may have started development when the fad was still going, just like Concord. Which is no excuse. At some point you need to cut your loses and get out while you can. Ironically, just like in an extraction shooter.

AND for a price. This is what baffles me. How can they think this is a good idea?

i think concord's situation was a bit different. a lot of people thought the hero shooter fad was dead ever since overwatch went idle mode. then once concord flopped, everyone thought "oh well i guess no one really wants hero shooters anymore," but marvel rivals proved that it just takes the right game/marketing/IP to get people interested. im one of the people who thinks that the marvel IP is what absolutely carried the game to mainstream, but either way the game is incredibly successful for a genre that people thought was tired out.

i cant say the same could happen for marathon, since the extraction shooter genre at a baseline is really unpopular and relatively hardcore. they would really have to innovate to stand out from others. to be fair, tarkov was also a premium title at launch, with only 2 maps at the very beginning.

im just pointing out the fact that it isnt a 1:1 scenario. i dont think marathon will be like marvel rivals and somehow just magically become the fortnite of extraction shooters, but i do think its possible for the game to change directions after seeing how the community is responding to it. after all, its still in pre-alpha.

[Aleuvian]

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i think concord's situation was a bit different. a lot of people thought the hero shooter fad was dead ever since overwatch went idle mode. then once concord flopped, everyone thought "oh well i guess no one really wants hero shooters anymore," but marvel rivals proved that it just takes the right game/marketing/IP to get people interested. im one of the people who thinks that the marvel IP is what absolutely carried the game to mainstream, but either way the game is incredibly successful for a genre that people thought was tired out.

i cant say the same could happen for marathon, since the extraction shooter genre at a baseline is really unpopular and relatively hardcore. they would really have to innovate to stand out from others. to be fair, tarkov was also a premium title at launch, with only 2 maps at the very beginning.

im just pointing out the fact that it isnt a 1:1 scenario. i dont think marathon will be like marvel rivals and somehow just magically become the fortnite of extraction shooters, but i do think its possible for the game to change directions after seeing how the community is responding to it. after all, its still in pre-alpha.

Concord was a bit different in that it was developed by a studio that opened in 2018, then only released their first project in 2024. It had a poor project management team and poor marketing, on top of releasing in the middle of a massively saturated market of hero shooters when it had nothing to make it unique.

The art style, while atrocious, was only one of many nails in the coffin for Concord.

Marathon is a hero-shooter competitive extraction shooter being developed by a studio that has, for its mainline title, released lackluster expansions and content, failed to deliver on promises to their core audience, and has had falling sales and player retention for their core live-service game. On top of that, it is releasing into a saturated market and they lost a massive 12% of their workforce during the development of Marathon, while struggling with multiple strikes and pickets from voice actors and developers working at the studio.

And the icing on the cake here is that Bungie is being slowly eaten by Sony and shuttered due to their lackluster performance, with more and more jobs being consumed by Sony developers.

The art style isn't what is going to kill the game, the troubled development cycle is going to be the main thing killing it while the other issues with gameplay will be the nails in the coffin to make it ship DOA.

On top of that, this is not a pre-alpha game. Marathon is in late development and releasing this year. Pre-alpha usually indicates a heavy use of placeholder assets, and gameplay that isn't fleshed out properly.

[Strangely unnormal]

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. im convinced you just want the game to fail

I DO want this game to fail. And it will. Why do I want it to fail? Because it's doing stuff I do not like, and I want it to fail hard so that they stop making stuff like it. Is that selfish of me? Hell yeah, it is. Do I care? Hell no. And it doesn't matter how much of an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I am because of this, because once again, I will be proven right. This game will fail. Miserably. You can quote me on it.

You certainly seem like a fun person to be around.

[Aleuvian]

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You certainly seem like a fun person to be around.

Hey, at least they're honest!

[DmonHiro]

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You certainly seem like a fun person to be around.

I unironically am. I spill almost all my negativity online so my real world life is mostly rainbows and sunshine. Hell, I'm the only one at my job that comes in happy.

[Nokia Knockoff]

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My echochamber is going outside, what's yours?

outside is nice. a lot of normal people tend to reside there

indeed it is, great space, away from karens who hijacked the hobby

[Mr.Craw]

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idk what echo chamber you guys are living in but a lot of people dig the art style and characters. it's definitely divisive, therefore not for everybody, but a lot of people truly like it. however, the $40 price is definitely insanity for what they are offering at launch

i think it it should be like a 20 dollar game so hackers have a hard time jumping back in. but we have to realize its better than a 60 dollar game like COD

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i think concord's situation was a bit different. a lot of people thought the hero shooter fad was dead ever since overwatch went idle mode. then once concord flopped, everyone thought "oh well i guess no one really wants hero shooters anymore," but marvel rivals proved that it just takes the right game/marketing/IP to get people interested. im one of the people who thinks that the marvel IP is what absolutely carried the game to mainstream, but either way the game is incredibly successful for a genre that people thought was tired out.

i cant say the same could happen for marathon, since the extraction shooter genre at a baseline is really unpopular and relatively hardcore. they would really have to innovate to stand out from others. to be fair, tarkov was also a premium title at launch, with only 2 maps at the very beginning.

im just pointing out the fact that it isnt a 1:1 scenario. i dont think marathon will be like marvel rivals and somehow just magically become the fortnite of extraction shooters, but i do think its possible for the game to change directions after seeing how the community is responding to it. after all, its still in pre-alpha.

Concord was a bit different in that it was developed by a studio that opened in 2018, then only released their first project in 2024. It had a poor project management team and poor marketing, on top of releasing in the middle of a massively saturated market of hero shooters when it had nothing to make it unique.

listen man im not disagreeing with you. but the fact of the matter is, none of this has happened yet. the game is not out yet. none of us have actually played it.
its rough being seemingly the only optimistic person here but hear me out:
im not some bungie defender, i just really like the world they are building here.
i too dont agree with their approach. this is not really the game i was expecting or wanted. im also not happy with the pricing. but there is no such thing as a game that will appeal to everyone. im the type of guy to make the most of the hand i was dealt, rather than just fold immediately. so even though this was far from what i was expecting, its the reality. so we just roll with it. id much rather discuss how the game could appeal better to us rather than just talk about how everything is terrible and the game will fail on launch.

[Aleuvian]

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listen man im not disagreeing with you. but the fact of the matter is, none of this has happened yet. the game is not out yet. none of us have actually played it.
its rough being seemingly the only optimistic person here but hear me out:
im not some bungie defender, i just really like the world they are building here.
i too dont agree with their approach. this is not really the game i was expecting or wanted. im also not happy with the pricing. but there is no such thing as a game that will appeal to everyone. im the type of guy to make the most of the hand i was dealt, rather than just fold immediately. so even though this was far from what i was expecting, its the reality. so we just roll with it. id much rather discuss how the game could appeal better to us rather than just talk about how everything is terrible and the game will fail on launch.

There's a difference between being optimistic and ignorant, though, and I really don't mean this to be insulting but you can really only be optimistic about Marathon if you outright ignore a massive number of red flags or haven't played Destiny 2.

It'd be cool if Marathon was the first extraction shooter game that I actually enjoyed and it redeemed Bungie, but at the end of the day is wildly different from anything Bungie has done before while they are floundering with what they know already.

At this point it isn't being pessimistic but warning people. Do not preorder this game, wait until you see reviews or real, unscripted gameplay before buying.

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outside is nice. a lot of normal people tend to reside there

indeed it is, great space, away from karens who hijacked the hobby

karens dont deserve the hobby of going outside