Denuvo? Gross

[Johnknight1]

Not buying. Hard pass. The hype is dead.

[armycat23]

As much as people make a big to-do about denuvo; I've never had a single instance of it negatively affecting me. I've played many games, had great times, without worrying about the "boogy man" out to get me OR that a game that I will uninstall after completion might be "bloated".

[Mixedbeats18]

If this reach like two weeks of pops in, hope the new GTA have it, just a bit of karma around

[Barusu]

Time to upgrade your potato

[EricHVela]

Denuvo is just snake-oil. It doesn't do as advertised with cracks immediately available (and some people seem to want to crack it if it's there but would just buy the game otherwise), but it also doesn't affect any of the systems of anyone I know when developers patch it out and there's not performance boost. Most mods are overrides, and Denuvo couldn't care less about that. (Unofficial things that modify your executables are risks not worth taking anyway.) Denuvo keeps relaxing their restrictions which suggest it was too wide a net in the first place.

It might as well just not be there, but it's there all the same.

I know of only one outlier who was unable to play a game due to not activating prior to heading out to sea. I might say it's his fault except that, as a legit customer, it's not a hassle he needed heading out on research with short notice. I'm rather certain that Denuvo thinks it's acceptable collateral (while I think no Denuvo-caused collateral is acceptable).

It does require an extra step on the developer's side to ensure that Denuvo doesn't false-flag a change in the code that was intended. Several developers eventually patch out Denuvo which suggests to me (but not verified) that they didn't want it in the first place but had to have it for some reason.

(Patterns suggest a Denuvo-led piracy scare reaching its height just over a decade ago convinced tech-ignorant executives that their pocketbooks would improve with a Denuvo contract they're now stuck with having. EA's contract is a prime example of people being stuck with something they don't want, and even LucasArts and Disney couldn't get out of it even despite Disney issuing a public threat to EA. I doubt anything's improved in sales except Denuvo's pocketbook at the cost of developer income. Only extensive research could show what's true, though.)

It's up to the executives (who may have little say in it without a lot of hassle). We can only decide to buy or refuse, but that'll change nothing. The itty-bitty handful of people who refuse on "principle" won't make a dent in Denuvo's income.

If you choose to refuse a game on Denuvo grounds, I suppose good on 'ya for sticking to your guns, but to the rest of us, you look just as foolish as executives who signed up for Denuvo snake-oil.

[Mixedbeats18]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Denuvo is just snake-oil. It doesn't do as advertised with cracks immediately available (and some people seem to want to crack it if it's there but would just buy the game otherwise), but it also doesn't affect any of the systems of anyone I know when developers patch it out and there's not performance boost. Most mods are overrides, and Denuvo couldn't care less about that. (Unofficial things that modify your executables are risks not worth taking anyway.) Denuvo keeps relaxing their restrictions which suggest it was too wide a net in the first place.

It might as well just not be there, but it's there all the same.

I know of only one outlier who was unable to play a game due to not activating prior to heading out to sea. I might say it's his fault except that, as a legit customer, it's not a hassle he needed heading out on research with short notice. I'm rather certain that Denuvo thinks it's acceptable collateral (while I think no Denuvo-caused collateral is acceptable).

It does require an extra step on the developer's side to ensure that Denuvo doesn't false-flag a change in the code that was intended. Several developers eventually patch out Denuvo which suggests to me (but not verified) that they didn't want it in the first place but had to have it for some reason.

(Patterns suggest a Denuvo-led piracy scare reaching its height just over a decade ago convinced tech-ignorant executives that their pocketbooks would improve with a Denuvo contract they're now stuck with having. EA's contract is a prime example of people being stuck with something they don't want, and even LucasArts and Disney couldn't get out of it even despite Disney issuing a public threat to EA. I doubt anything's improved in sales except Denuvo's pocketbook at the cost of developer income. Only extensive research could show what's true, though.)

It's up to the executives (who may have little say in it without a lot of hassle). We can only decide to buy or refuse, but that'll change nothing. The itty-bitty handful of people who refuse on "principle" won't make a dent in Denuvo's income.

If you choose to refuse a game on Denuvo grounds, I suppose good on 'ya for sticking to your guns, but to the rest of us, you look just as foolish as executives who signed up for Denuvo snake-oil.

After that doc, you mind answer a thing Rockstar followed suit like Disney?

[Girthquake]

I was worried enough about the performance but seeing Denuvo included just means I'll probably pass on this one, oh well.

[Johnknight1]

Originally posted by Barusu:

Time to upgrade your potato

I do not like stutter and Denuvo makes my games stutter.

Also my main and secondary PC’s are very strong.

Main Build:
Intel i9-13900k
RTX 4070
96 GB RAM
3x nVMe Drives (1x 2TB, 2x 4TB)

Secondary Build:
Intel i7-6700k
RTX 3070 TI
64GB RAM
2x nVMe Drives (2x 2TB)

Also your whataboutism defense is bad. Denuvo hurts frame rate and performance for all, Denuvo causes stutter, and Denuvo forces always online because it views the customers as thieves. As someone who lives in an area with occasional internet loss due to weather issues, this sucks.

You should demand better from publishers, not worse.

[Johnknight1]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Denuvo is just snake-oil. It doesn't do as advertised with cracks immediately available (and some people seem to want to crack it if it's there but would just buy the game otherwise), but it also doesn't affect any of the systems of anyone I know when developers patch it out and there's not performance boost. Most mods are overrides, and Denuvo couldn't care less about that. (Unofficial things that modify your executables are risks not worth taking anyway.) Denuvo keeps relaxing their restrictions which suggest it was too wide a net in the first place.

It might as well just not be there, but it's there all the same.

I know of only one outlier who was unable to play a game due to not activating prior to heading out to sea. I might say it's his fault except that, as a legit customer, it's not a hassle he needed heading out on research with short notice. I'm rather certain that Denuvo thinks it's acceptable collateral (while I think no Denuvo-caused collateral is acceptable).

It does require an extra step on the developer's side to ensure that Denuvo doesn't false-flag a change in the code that was intended. Several developers eventually patch out Denuvo which suggests to me (but not verified) that they didn't want it in the first place but had to have it for some reason.

(Patterns suggest a Denuvo-led piracy scare reaching its height just over a decade ago convinced tech-ignorant executives that their pocketbooks would improve with a Denuvo contract they're now stuck with having. EA's contract is a prime example of people being stuck with something they don't want, and even LucasArts and Disney couldn't get out of it even despite Disney issuing a public threat to EA. I doubt anything's improved in sales except Denuvo's pocketbook at the cost of developer income. Only extensive research could show what's true, though.)

It's up to the executives (who may have little say in it without a lot of hassle). We can only decide to buy or refuse, but that'll change nothing. The itty-bitty handful of people who refuse on "principle" won't make a dent in Denuvo's income.

If you choose to refuse a game on Denuvo grounds, I suppose good on 'ya for sticking to your guns, but to the rest of us, you look just as foolish as executives who signed up for Denuvo snake-oil.

You show a lack of understanding of the concept or history of what “selling snake oil” is. Snake oil implies the whole product does nothing. It is not debatable that Denuvo has a negative effect

Journalist analysis of framerates, frame pacing, and other issues have been showcased and measured by sources such as Digital Foundry and Gamers’ Nexus, amongst other major performance issues. This leads to a worse experience gaming.

Denuvo is coding that makes games run worse, like a memory leak.

PC gamers control gaming more than console gamers, so why are you okay with worse? That is beta attitude and logic. No one likes a wimp who willingly accepts less.

[Mixedbeats18]

Needed a airport scream situacion? kinda what it is the whole denuvo cry here, if dont want go to the tokyo just dont take the flight, really feels that people like to put a show for something the companies are tied at this point and dont come with the less talk, this is a original product, double edged sword now?

[armycat23]

Originally posted by Johnknight1:

Originally posted by Barusu:

Time to upgrade your potato

I do not like stutter and Denuvo makes my games stutter.

Also my main and secondary PC’s are very strong.

Main Build:
Intel i9-13900k
RTX 4070
96 GB RAM
3x nVMe Drives (1x 2TB, 2x 4TB)

Secondary Build:
Intel i7-6700k
RTX 3070 TI
64GB RAM
2x nVMe Drives (2x 2TB)

Also your whataboutism defense is bad. Denuvo hurts frame rate and performance for all, Denuvo causes stutter, and Denuvo forces always online because it views the customers as thieves. As someone who lives in an area with occasional internet loss due to weather issues, this sucks.

You should demand better from publishers, not worse.

I've played Steam games on my 2017 laptop even up to today. I only now got a more powerful desktop gaming computer less then a couple months ago.

I played MANY games on my laptop....dozens and dozens...and I'm talking about new releases, at the time, like FF16 or Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth.

Isn't it funny that even while playing all sorts of dozens of games for the last 8+ years on a "potato" laptop and now a gaming desktop that I've not had a single experience that Denuvo caused problems with my gaming?

It's seems like its far less of the bogeyman some people try to make it out to be....or even want it to be in order to feel "justified" in their generalization.

[armycat23]

Originally posted by armycat23:

Originally posted by Johnknight1:

I do not like stutter and Denuvo makes my games stutter.

Also my main and secondary PC’s are very strong.

Main Build:
Intel i9-13900k
RTX 4070
96 GB RAM
3x nVMe Drives (1x 2TB, 2x 4TB)

Secondary Build:
Intel i7-6700k
RTX 3070 TI
64GB RAM
2x nVMe Drives (2x 2TB)

Also your whataboutism defense is bad. Denuvo hurts frame rate and performance for all, Denuvo causes stutter, and Denuvo forces always online because it views the customers as thieves. As someone who lives in an area with occasional internet loss due to weather issues, this sucks.

You should demand better from publishers, not worse.

I've played Steam games on my 2017 laptop even up to today. I only now got a more powerful desktop gaming computer less then a couple months ago.

I played MANY games on my laptop....dozens and dozens...and I'm talking about new releases, at the time, like FF16 or Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth.

Isn't it funny that even while playing all sorts of dozens of games for the last 8+ years on a "potato" laptop and now a gaming desktop that I've not had a single experience that Denuvo caused problems with my gaming?

It's seems like its far less of the bogeyman some people try to make it out to be....or even want it to be in order to feel "justified" in their generalization.

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Fyi, the most evident sign of a person who has a weak argument or doesn't fully believe their own argument is when they start name-calling ....aka you calling somebody a "wimp" on your later post.