Does the Monkey Sub seem Overpowered?

[Serp]

I think the Monkey Sub is a bit OP. It and it's upgrades are really cheap, Fires very fast, shots home in without needing to upgrade at all, One upgrade gives it near infinte range, one upgrade DOES give it infinite range, It's cooldown instantly destroys ZOMGs(from what I gathered), And it wrecks bloons.

I feel like it makes the game too easy, since you really only need like 5 of them along with a heli-pilot(for camos). It should be nerfed.

Am I the only one who thinks this way?

[Just Jeff]

Originally posted by SPEEEEED HOPPPER:

I think the Monkey Sub is a bit OP. It and it's upgrades are really cheap, Fires very fast, shots home in without needing to upgrade at all, One upgrade gives it near infinte range, one upgrade DOES give it infinite range, It's cooldown instantly destroys ZOMGs(from what I gathered), And it wrecks bloons.

I feel like it makes the game too easy, since you really only need like 5 of them along with a heli-pilot(for camos). It should be nerfed.

Am I the only one who thinks this way?

I honestly disagree, it depends on how you upgrade/use it m8... just like every ther tower
Ya know what would make it REEEAAAALLY overpowered? If all you needed was a sniper and that one upgrade and it would shoot all over screen

[scoota33]

actually it lies .. whilst it says it will attack all bloons in another towers range .. it will try to .. the darts disappear after about half a screen length .. but still that "other tower" can be a village with big beacons and it covers 85% of the map, that is how i found out the darts disappear after a certain distance

[Yuujin Hiiragi]

that, and some maps only have a small amount of water... Most maps have no water at all. There's only about three maps where you could spam subs and have it work well.

[Serp]

Originally posted by Lumindia:

that, and some maps only have a small amount of water... Most maps have no water at all. There's only about three maps where you could spam subs and have it work well.

That's like their only downside. On easy you can just have 4 subs and a heli-pilot and your fine.

(I'm starting by doing every map on easy, then medium,hard,then impoppable.)

[Just Jeff]

Have you gottn to round 100 that way?

Originally posted by SPEEEEED HOPPPER:

Originally posted by Lumindia:

that, and some maps only have a small amount of water... Most maps have no water at all. There's only about three maps where you could spam subs and have it work well.

That's like their only downside. On easy you can just have 4 subs and a heli-pilot and your fine.

(I'm starting by doing every map on easy, then medium,hard,then impoppable.)

If anything is OP, its the monkey engineer... all you need is 3 or 4 (depending on which map it is) and you basically have bloon-killing-machines (literally!)

[Serp]

Originally posted by Just 3digdug2:

Have you gottn to round 100 that way?

Originally posted by SPEEEEED HOPPPER:

That's like their only downside. On easy you can just have 4 subs and a heli-pilot and your fine.

(I'm starting by doing every map on easy, then medium,hard,then impoppable.)

If anything is OP, its the monkey engineer... all you need is 3 or 4 (depending on which map it is) and you basically have bloon-killing-machines (literally!)

What I'm trying to say is that on non-freeplay, easy mode(and maybe medium), they are extremely cheap. I'm not a super hardcore bloons person, which is why I want to do all the maps on easy, medium, hard, and impoppaple in that order.

[Penumbra]

on checkers i got really far to the point it got boring and here are my subs i had like 36 2-3 i couldnt get tier 4 yet because just got game when i did this. IT WAS DART RAIN http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=349452562

[Penumbra]

whats op is mortar specialty building fully upgraded and getting a 2-4 mortar your really unstopable because of the stun lock only blimps get through and thats easily avoidable and with 3 to 4 you win

[TheVampire100]

Originally posted by SPEEEEED HOPPPER:

I think the Monkey Sub is a bit OP. It and it's upgrades are really cheap, Fires very fast, shots home in without needing to upgrade at all, One upgrade gives it near infinte range, one upgrade DOES give it infinite range, It's cooldown instantly destroys ZOMGs(from what I gathered), And it wrecks bloons.

I feel like it makes the game too easy, since you really only need like 5 of them along with a heli-pilot(for camos). It should be nerfed.

Am I the only one who thinks this way?

It's funny how exclusive towers always seem to be op. I know that people thought the same of the bloon shredder, the monkey engineer and the monkey helicopter which can still be counted to the strongest towers so far.

What makes this towers so strong is their wide rsange of usability and their rather low money cost. The engineer is literally a tower builder on its own and you don't need any weaker towers for a long time when you have one. He replaces dart monkey on earlier rounds. Plus, he can remove lead and cameo, making that bloons targetable by other towers.

The shredder holds towers in place and even deals a good amount of DPS. Since all the bloons he sucks in and spits out are still popable he makes a good stunner. His weakness are however ceramic bloons since he seems to "chew" on them for a while, making him unable to get other bloons.

Compared to these two towers the submarine seems not so strong after all. to me it's actually a weaker version of the sniper monkey: unlimited range but weaker damage. However, splash damage/multiple targets at once balances this out again.

Plus, it needs to be placed in water or in pools (that cost money), so it's not that allmighty. New towers always seem very strong compared to some older towers but I use it less often as, let's say, snipers. I really love sniper monkey, i build at least 5 of them but most of the time 10 in a single level. They are really good against MOABS and for the rest i have other towers. it would be dumb to simply rely on a single tower type.

[Serp]

I suppose you are right, but since most tracks have water, that doesn't factor in toooo much.

Although you are right about using a single tower type being stupid.

[Guddal]

bob

[Bojangles4th]

Engineers are probably the most OP single tower w/ building. You can go solo Engineers w/ 1 village to win virtually every map on any difficulty, though I think on a couple Expert maps and the Extreme maps you'll want to start thinking a bit more strategically.

As for setting records, that really depends. Figuring out individual maps' good temple placements, sniper placements, etc. is far more important. I haven't looked into setting high scores, though.

EDIT: Not sure about impoppable. My Engi strats were the be-all end-all strats back ages ago, before they added Impoppable and Mastery.