The Ninja Monkey is OVERPOWERED: Needs a nerf. (Bloons TD Battles)

[federa]

The Bloons TD Battles Ninja Monkey is too overpowered. The Ninja Monkey is a gaurenteed win because it's too powerful. It's able to pop 40 bloons per second and can stun rushes and defend them too easily. Flash Bombs are able to unfairly stall rushes as a glue gunner/ice tower should instead. The Ninja Monkey is the best tower in the game, because it's simply too overpowered. It deserves a nerf.

It's able to do what any other tower can do, and do it better. And it's all just too cheap. Both in gameplay and in in-game price.

[JJ]

*cough* *cough* *cough* Bloonchipper *cough* *cough* Juggernauts *cough* *cough*

please tell me it is a sarcasm

[FrozenDude101]

Not really. The ninja monkey is more or less built for early to mid-late game (Rounds 1~85). If you do freeplay (at least late-late game (Rounds 150+)ninjas aren't really your goto building, temples and bloonchippers are.
Heck, I'd say helicopters are more OP, 2 alone can beat MOAB Madness, yet all the money spent on ninjas doesn't beat it.

[JJ]

He's talking about BTD battles tho.

[FrozenDude101]

Ok, let me explain why things HAVE to be unbalanced. If every tower was perfectly balanced cost/reward/effectiveness, then what is the point in having more than 1 or 2 (land+water) different towers.
For instance, bomb towers can pop leads, but no camos.
Ninjas can pop camos, but have an expensive lead pop upgrade.
Overall villages can be utilised so EVERYTHING can pop EVERYTHING. So everything is now 'OP' as all towers destory all bloons.

Nuclear Reactor Subs are one of or the best towers against rushes. Enough and ceramics are 0 problem, no matter how many. But they suck against Moab class.
The other path, First Strike Capability is able to take out a ZOMG in a hit. but isn't effective against rushes.

This is the same for (almost) all towers and their paths. Think spike factories, they literally do more against either ceramics or Moab class depending on the path.

In general : Left path is good v Bloons
Right path is good v MOABS, BFBS, ZOMGS (and has ability)

There are exceptions (think bloonchippers, helicopters and snipers), but what is above is just for about 7 times out of 10.

In battles a core gameplay bit is added. Bloons sends. You have to analyse what the other players weaknesses are and exploit them.
On the wiki it states round 12 is like 24. So just divide what I put in my first comment by 2 and you have roughly what it will be for BTDB.

However, on BTDB you have to account for space, with only half the normal map (BTD5 map) to work with, hence why helicopters aren't as used on Battles as it is here.

Sorry if I rambled on, I have a habit of doing that.

[federa]

Originalmente postado por JJpochara:

*cough* *cough* *cough* Bloonchipper *cough* *cough* Juggernauts *cough* *cough*

please tell me it is a sarcasm

Those towers are not overpowered at all vs ninja monkey users.

Especially since the moab bloonchipper nerf when the moabs go a bit further after bieng ejected from where they were before ejection.

[Gakm4]

Ninjas have a big weakness and that is regrow bloons and they are just ok vs moab class bloons. Ninjas cost is quite high to get them to a level where they can be very effective. In that time you can build farms to increase your income allowing you to buy more stuff and are great because you can sell them to get money for either rushing or defending depending on your current situation.

I am a big fan of ninjas in btd5 but in btd Battles i personally feel that they are a bit lacking compared to other towers.

[federa]

Originalmente postado por Gakm4:

Ninjas have a big weakness and that is regrow bloons and they are just ok vs moab class bloons. Ninjas cost is quite high to get them to a level where they can be very effective. In that time you can build farms to increase your income allowing you to buy more stuff and are great because you can sell them to get money for either rushing or defending depending on your current situation.

I am a big fan of ninjas in btd5 but in btd Battles i personally feel that they are a bit lacking compared to other towers.

Regeow bloons? really? The Regrow bloon can only regenerate once per 10 shots of a bloonjitsu ninja (make that 20 with a boost), which means that in 2 seconds, the non-moab and non-ceramic bloons would be popped. But with the double-split feature for Blacks, Whites, Zebras, Leads, and Rainbows, it would probaby take 30 shots at most for all the bloons to get popped. Also, with a Flash bomb ninja and a juggernaut/triple darts group/ bloonjitsu/double shot ninja, it's easy to defend rushes due to stun stall.

[BobularTing]

Did they nerf the bloonchippers on btd5(steam ios and android) because with my current run i thought i had enough of them i had died around 30-40 rounds earlier than with the same setup?

[JJ]

stun stall multiply rushes furthermore. lol
Bloon impact destroy rush because it can pop black and have relatively good fire rate opposed to ninja.

Chipper isn't about SWF (moab funnel). 0/0 spam already cripples rush progress. 0/4 ninja slows all bloons? 0/4 chipper stops all bloons,infinitely.

Dart juggernaut spam with a few triple dart clean up demolish any bloon rushes,while ninja still struggle on them.

[FrozenDude101]

Federa, Here's how to deal with something that you think is too OP.

Don't Use It

[ivylena]

Ninja Monkeys are a pretty good all-around tower. They have camo detection from the start, are ok vs Moab class, and have really good 4th tier upgrades (Bloonjitsu and Bloon Sabotage ability), but they still have their weaknesses

• They can pop lead only x/3 or near to a x/3 village
  
• They don't do well with regrows or tightly packed bloon rushes (did you tried defending a RRRoD (Regrow Rainbow Rush of Doom) with them? I did, this didn't go well)
  
• They're designed for rounds 1-85, you probably don't wanna use them much in the very late game.

There are more OP towers in the game, get a combo of 3/2 ice tower and 4/2 bomb tower and you're done with most bloons... But if you still think they are OP, just dont use them :)

[federa]

Originalmente postado por FrozenDude101:

Federa, Here's how to deal with something that you think is too OP.

Don't Use It

I've tried so much. I've tried to influence underused towers. They're too underpowered and unbalanced compared to the MasterOv meta.

#teamsuperjombombo2

Originalmente postado por Wiktord1:

Ninja Monkeys are a pretty good all-around tower. They have camo detection from the start, are ok vs Moab class, and have really good 4th tier upgrades (Bloonjitsu and Bloon Sabotage ability), but they still have their weaknesses

• They can pop lead only x/3 or near to a x/3 village
  
• They don't do well with regrows or tightly packed bloon rushes (did you tried defending a RRRoD (Regrow Rainbow Rush of Doom) with them? I did, this didn't go well)
  
• They're designed for rounds 1-85, you probably don't wanna use them much in the very late game.

There are more OP towers in the game, get a combo of 3/2 ice tower and 4/2 bomb tower and you're done with most bloons... But if you still think they are OP, just dont use them :)

Most of the time, a generic player will boost against these rushes when their brain knows of it.

A cringey ninja user that follows the ninja bibile, lets say, uses a 4-X and a X-3 ninja at once. Stall + exteme popping power + double that because of boost = about 6 less regrow rainbows in this world

Also, both the towers you mentioned cannot detect camo. But I do love the ice tower and glue gunner in general

[Mad Monty MN]

Since the 2x cash over Christmas, who needs Ninjas? 15 rounds in, and I'll have more money than was probably intended, and coat the field with Monkey Village Eye of Sauron thingies and sit back, hitting the space bar to star the next round.

[RenBee]

easy explanation. name of programmer: ninja kiwi. NINJA kiwi. why wouldn't they make it op.

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