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Thamalandis 12 ENE 2016 a las 10:14 a. m.
How to get rich... if you are a soulless monster. [Obvious Spoiler]
I am no fan of writing guides for one single thing, but I have seen several guides following the nasty trade routes for meager profit or only tell you about the nerfed and short lived sunlight trade. This "guide" will ensure you never go broke... if you return to your devious ways before you fall below 10000 echo. This is easy, but will take time waiting and watching youtube most likely. So take it as another step to the 10 year at zee achievement.


Step 1: Get rich or die trying...

Getting started. There are a lot of guides, but let's help you along for your first 3000 echo.

- Do NOT waste your beginners luck. Don't press the fist symbol anywhere but Avid Horizon!
- Do NOT offend the bruiser in Fallen London, you need him for step 2 unless you want to jump it.
- Go to Mutton Island with something awaits you, close to London. You find it soon. Explore the beach and decide to collect driftwood. Now you got 1 outlandish artifact. After you collect enough fragments - exploration is enough - use it together with the artifact to unlock the antiquar in Fallen London. Don't forget to file port reports, they break you even in harbor with the admirality later.
- Now you want to acquire captivating treasures and sell them for 1000 each to the antiquar. Those you can get in Venderbright doing some curator quests, The two easiest ones are from Avid Horizon. Find it in the far north and use 77 fragments to find a hunters eye. The curator will buy it for a treasure. Also use your beginners luck there. With a 50% chance you get the eyeless skull, the curator will exchange it for a second treasure.
Sidenote: If you reach above 50 terror later and get a nightmare, make sure you attained the canibal trait at the Chapel of Lights close to Avid Horizon by eating regularly. It also helps to boost iron in random exploration events. Do the ritual of the well and show the weeping scar to the curator, it will net you 7 secrets.
- If you found several islands by now and the Uttershroom, bring them 7 firkins of prisoner honey - or be lucky during reports - to get 7 Blemmigans. Found 7 new accounted populations in the Unterzee and definetly include the Iron Republic for another free Blemmigan. After you have 7 living Blemmigan colonies, the Uttershroom will gift you a cinder. Bring it to the curator for another treasure.
- If you found visage and did follow the rules of the masks and did not disrupt the ritual of flourishing you have another treasure.

- Aside of the aforementioned options, doing vital missions for the admirality or port reports should have kept you afloat or made you richer.

Step 2: Break the law and smuggle (can be omitted)

- Once you have around 3000-4000 Echo, go to Khan's Shadow in the east and buy 10 mirror boxes. Not one more! The light trade was nerfed severely and you will never trade more than 30 units in 4 ingame years anyway. Further, 10 fit the starting ship without crippling your hold to the surface.
- Return with the 10 mirrorboxes to Fallen London, fill yourself with 5 rations and 25 fuel, go to the Cumanean Canal. There buy fuel if you now lack it and go to the surface.
- Open the boxes and fill them all with sunlight. Now buy cheap supplies in Naples till you reach 7. Get some fuel too and return underground.
- Make your way to the closest event harbor to Fallen London and get rid of something awaits you in port. If the distance is short and you got a good engine by now, you might be able to reach Fallen London before it triggers. Otherwise turn around, get rid of something awaits you and overload the engines. You can repair the hull cheaply with admirality favor later. Now hand the light boxes to the bruiser for 400 echo profit per piece.
- Repeat this a second time.
- On your third way from the surface, you WILL be a light addict. Sell it quickly in London and return to Khan's shadow to sell the leftover boxes - and never trade light again.

Step 3: Selling one's soul - figuratively

- With the money you made in the light trade (at least 8000 echo) you now have time to prepare step 3. If you haven't already, find the Isle of Cats in the Southeast of Fallen London. There gain trust with either the bar or the gardens and when it is time to chose a mediator, entice Lady Zaira of the Red Gardens to get access to the Pirate King. This will entail a shipment of trust - do not betray her and deliver the honey - and a sacrifice... not your literal soul, but more or less the very existence of one of your crew.
- Now she will offer to prepare an audience. Get a "gift" for the pirate king, a poor sob you abduct at the Channel to give to Zaira, so she can violate his soul and rob him painfully of all that is him, his memory, to feed it to the pirate king. No matter if you drink the honey yourself or take the wine, congratulations, you sold your soul for money!
- With the new key to the gardens, buy supplies and fuel and make port. Undock from the Isles, stop the engine and wait for another day. Then dock again and buy red honey made from the painfully extracted memories of innocent souls. Repeat the process until you are nearly out of money (keep enough to buy supplies ot get home).
- Sail to Fallen London and sell it there. It is smuggling, so use the method of Step 2 if necessary. If you visited Mt. Palmerston already and enticed the devilness, you will have the brass embassy in Fallen London unlocked. If not... they only give better prices by 50 echo. The normal trader will do fine and give you treasures to entice the antiquar. The difference is if you sell the blood of memories to devils... or addicts.

With every honey, even if docking costs one fuel and half a supply (roughly 35 echo) you will gain 60% return and at least 50%. Each visit you camp at the Isle of Cats now (and Alt Tab to watch youtube until the bell rings) you will now gain 50% more echo than you invested. Don't worry about port suspicion, the devolopers did not YET add a permaban from Fallen London with Suspicion above 100. One day they might... maybe using the story element of Avid Horizons Pilgramage to be allowed into the city again. Would be interesting.

Now make sure you never fall below 10000 Echo and use the surplus for a frigate (the echelon is a money sink aside of the achievement), better equipment, exploration or your scion. And have fun becoming a cannibal, murder everything and pirateering. You already sold your and others life and souls... what is one crime more when something glints in your eye.
Última edición por Thamalandis; 15 ENE 2016 a las 5:24 a. m.
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Wlerin 12 ENE 2016 a las 11:06 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Thamalandis:
- If you found several islands by now and the Uttershroom, bring them 7 firkins of prisoner honey - or be lucky during reports - to get 7 Blemmigans. Found 7 new accounted populations in the Unterzee and definetly include the Iron Republic for another free Blemmigan. After you have 7 living Blemmigan colonies, the Uttershroom will gift you a cinder. Bring it to the curator for another treasure.
For the love of God (or whatever ye worship) don't put them on the Mangrove College.
Thamalandis 12 ENE 2016 a las 11:10 a. m. 
Or lightships unless you want to be evil and be thrown out. There are some landmines, but Iron Republic, Nuncio, Visage, Gaiders Mourn, Mutton Island, Pigmote (for loss in Civilisation and +2 Might), Station III, Polythreme and some others are safe or profitable.
the-truthseeker 12 ENE 2016 a las 5:19 p. m. 
Sorry to be a stickler on the OP but:

  1. The Beginner's Luck[sunlesssea.gamepedia.com] is better when traded in Irem. The Searing Enigma is guaranteed and not a common/rare chance, as well as the +1 stat to Pages and +1 to Mirrors.
  2. You do not sell your soul on Isle of cats. Soulless[sunlesssea.gamepedia.com]is an actual Game Mechanic used either with Mt. Palmerston's Wistful Deviless[sunlesssea.gamepedia.com] or with the Isle of Hand's multiple Monkeys from the mayor to the Court (the soulless page shows them best) as potential buyers. Please change your wording such as "sell your principles."
Última edición por the-truthseeker; 12 ENE 2016 a las 5:21 p. m.
Thamalandis 12 ENE 2016 a las 5:42 p. m. 
I saw you more than once in the threads of this forum I recently visited, and you really tend to sometimes "miss the point" of the whole topic, discussion or content offered therein. Maybe you just love to correct people or try to. But in that case you should really work on your delivery or your English. It definetly does not seem native to you (One is a stickler for something, not on someone). If you want to correct something, do it were it is needed.


That being said, let's look at your input in a fair manner:

The searing enigma is a potential alternative, yes, if you want to go to the distant NE. But even when you fail in Avid Horizon, you get at least 300 Echo worth of loot on a quick travel and otherwise come closer to finishing a main story quest AND gain 1000 Echo. Most beginners don't get that far NE and survive the dangers to see Irem on their early captains, especially with no knowledge of silent travel, knowing that the darkness is actually your ally, not your enemy. Still a viable point, if a person wants to take the tour, the enigma for 1000 Echo is worth it. The whole point of including the Beginners Luck was made for the Quick Money for Step 2 anyway. You are at Avid Horizon for the Hunter's Eye. so why not "Kill two brids with one stone".

Aside of that little option, at no point did I mention you literally sell your soul on the Isle of Cats - unless you take the quick way on Mt. Palmerston for the Brass Embassy. The 'Menace: Soulless' is an entirely different matter not discussed here for a split second.
This was clearly meant figuratively in the opening name of the thread, further emphasized by the dots and by the description of the guide itself, especially the explanation at the end. "Selling your principles" isn't even good English. Abandoning your morals would fit much rather than that. And "selling your soul" is the figurative speech for doing the worst of evils. Just because you think a sentence is wrong or the wording is bad, doesn't matter. I chose the correct way of talking about it. The 'Menace: Soulless' would have been mentioned like that. Also most new players don't even know that small point of the game.
One does really gruesome things, going as far as not only torture people, but kidnapping them and destroying their memories and soul for the delight of rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and addicts, enjoying the chopped up parts of their former victims minds, mind you. And one furthers the trade by being the best delivery man the red honey trade ever had.
If you didn't see this as "selling your soul" in the very meaning of the metaphor, your morals seem to be really messed up.

Despite your obvious quick shot answer and attempt to "improve" this guide you are of course free to help by adding more info like the enigma that is actually helpful and part of the discussion. Other than that... keep to yourself, especially with little or even worse wrong knowledge of the English language.
Última edición por Thamalandis; 12 ENE 2016 a las 5:59 p. m.
the-truthseeker 12 ENE 2016 a las 8:59 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Thamalandis:
I saw you more than once in the threads of this forum I recently visited, and you really tend to sometimes "miss the point" of the whole topic, discussion or content offered therein. Maybe you just love to correct people or try to. But in that case you should really work on your delivery or your English. It definetly does not seem native to you (One is a stickler for something, not on someone). If you want to correct something, do it were it is needed.


That being said, let's look at your input in a fair manner:

The searing enigma is a potential alternative, yes, if you want to go to the distant NE. But even when you fail in Avid Horizon, you get at least 300 Echo worth of loot on a quick travel and otherwise come closer to finishing a main story quest AND gain 1000 Echo. Most beginners don't get that far NE and survive the dangers to see Irem on their early captains, especially with no knowledge of silent travel, knowing that the darkness is actually your ally, not your enemy. Still a viable point, if a person wants to take the tour, the enigma for 1000 Echo is worth it. The whole point of including the Beginners Luck was made for the Quick Money for Step 2 anyway. You are at Avid Horizon for the Hunter's Eye. so why not "Kill two brids with one stone".

Aside of that little option, at no point did I mention you literally sell your soul on the Isle of Cats - unless you take the quick way on Mt. Palmerston for the Brass Embassy. The 'Menace: Soulless' is an entirely different matter not discussed here for a split second.
This was clearly meant figuratively in the opening name of the thread, further emphasized by the dots and by the description of the guide itself, especially the explanation at the end. "Selling your principles" isn't even good English. Abandoning your morals would fit much rather than that. And "selling your soul" is the figurative speech for doing the worst of evils. Just because you think a sentence is wrong or the wording is bad, doesn't matter. I chose the correct way of talking about it. The 'Menace: Soulless' would have been mentioned like that. Also most new players don't even know that small point of the game.
One does really gruesome things, going as far as not only torture people, but kidnapping them and destroying their memories and soul for the delight of rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and addicts, enjoying the chopped up parts of their former victims minds, mind you. And one furthers the trade by being the best delivery man the red honey trade ever had.
If you didn't see this as "selling your soul" in the very meaning of the metaphor, your morals seem to be really messed up.

Despite your obvious quick shot answer and attempt to "improve" this guide you are of course free to help by adding more info like the enigma that is actually helpful and part of the discussion. Other than that... keep to yourself, especially with little or even worse wrong knowledge of the English language.


For a person who in their reply has, "...really work on your delivery or your English," your guide was inaccurately listing something potentially confusing to new users.

I was a technical writer. The idea to a guide is to write something concise and correct.

Respectfully, that latter is not done in the first posting and former not done in your reply.

And ellipses or three or four dots (if ending a sentence that way) are done to show an omission of text without breaking the original sentence or an unfinished thought. Did you not add something or not end your thought?

I had an idea what was being...lost.

In that example there were words between being and lost but the end of the sentence still conferred the concept of lost.

And once again, it isn't clear to new users. One has to write thinking of their audience.

Never assume.
Always prepare a guide written as if for a beginner.
Make it easy to read.


If this reply were for a beginner, this reply would have ended a long time ago.

But I am replying to your expertise. So it's going to take a lot longer.




Look, you literally wrote "Step 3: Sell your soul"

For people who are just starting out, they are going to take the directions less than guidelines and more like a to-do list.

I don't list things "by gaining Nightmares before resting" and say it's figurative. We know this because non-new players have played it for a while.
New players are the ones who are going to make more mistakes interpreting literal things. If something said "by speeding up," one would guess the ship speeds up, not your reaction time. Only a veteran can not make mistakes on nuances there.

If I had a step that said "get a Merchant Ship" then I lambasted somebody saying, "I meant any trading ship and you knew what that meant, so did everybody," that's the same debate.

I hope you can see the analogy for new player potential confusion, but I'm done with that now.


I apologize once again, for how you may interpret the next part. I even in my last reply noted "Sorry to be a stickler"


Here's one other thing you can do.


Use line breaks also known as carriage returns. You have a wall of text reply. Your OP is a great example of spacing.

Being one who has written walls of text and had to learn this from replies just like this, having breaks between points so we don't just glaze over what was written helps.

I am sorry if you take this rudely or to personal offense, but there is no body language here to express my "you have great ideas and concepts, but they just need to be polished a little bit" pose. If you take this as a form of attack, you have that right to do so, but it is not the intent.


And speaking of intent, due to the abusive reply I will note the following:


Questioning "selling your principles"[www.miltonkeynes.co.uk] If I a third generation American literate since the age of 3 not even in residence in the United Kingdom, yet knew that correct UK English phrasing even if US Americans prefer "selling out [your principles]" as a phrase instead and tutor people on proper grammatical speech and writing, I question your credentials on your grammatical authority over me.

And no, ending a non-extraneous sentence with a preposition is also fine, even if you think grammar got stepped on. People think they know stuff, but often do not.
If you wish English lessons or If there's something you do not understand here, you may reply to me in personal message.



Questioning my properly written English is Abusive. Questioning how anybody writes a reply, inferring me as poorly written even if using wording as, "especially with little or even worse wrong knowledge of the English language" is abusive.

Period.


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Última edición por the-truthseeker; 12 ENE 2016 a las 9:11 p. m.
Thamalandis 13 ENE 2016 a las 5:14 a. m. 
You realize that a full on quotation of a whole post instead of a chosen passus inside of it before your answer to that very passus is pointless; especially after answering right below the aforementioned statement? Great idea on how to be concise... or correct. (<-- Not an ellipsis! And yes, the rhetorical ellipsis is written with an i not an e, we are not in physics class here... or math for that matter.)

The initial text is no ellipsis, there are no words missing for a full sentence, the text is coherent. It is obviously a rhetoric pause, another rhetoric instrument to imitate spoken language, emphasize the following thought and thought process of a person or otherwise draw attention to the following part. For someone as cocky as you, you really should get the basics down. So we can already scratch the "correct" analysis of my rhetorical devices.

This whole "guide" - I said in the initial post I don't even really write guides or want to call it a guide - was written on a whim to share my results of exploration with the community and to earn money. This process is really gruesome after all and eats a lot of time. This does too, but this time is invested waiting afk.
Thus, this guide was never "just for beginners" or "just for pros", it was for all and it was made on a whim. Therefore it does not need to live up to your standards. We are on the internet, so be happy I talk in full on sentences with mostly correct English even for a non native.
If you don't like how it is written, you are of course free to write a - in your point of view - user friendly version of the red honey trade in the guides section. I am not stopping you, I don't even need credit. As long as some people find it useful, it suffices. Information is to be shared.

I used headlines for all steps. The topics name is a rhetorical emphasize, step one obviously doesn't have you die as no step has a chance of rolling a "you are dead" check and step two doesn't really break the law. You can just "pay" the law, the law in the Unterzee is echo and favor. It's corrupt as hell, literally.
"Speeding up", as you mention it - if used by me - would be meant in the literal sense here, using the overload of your ships engine. Yet I obviously wrote use the overload, so it has nothing to do with reaction time. I would never use it in that way. When it comes to telling you a next step, I love precision in language, make no mistake here. So even a beginner - if for some reason he uses this as a to-do list and not a proper "guideline" - should be able to achieve the red honey trade.
On a sidenote, my frigate has the exhaust Aft-Compartment and I now always do a full on speed run across the map, even if it is inefficient in the energy department (costs nearly twice as much). At least the headlights cost no fuel in that case and it saves the more expensive supplies, especially building my colony.
So if I don't say "now sell your soul to person A to achieve B", I am not using precise language, thus I am not describing another step or action. Again, if you don't like my way with words, feel free to use your own in a proper guide.

I did use "selling your soul" as the most extreme version of selling out in the English language, especially dealing with the idea of betraying all that makes one human (the soul as the epitome of humanity... go figure). "Selling one's principles" is a viable term, but it doesn't fit here, period. As someone who loves precise language, you should see that. The player had not declared his moral stance towards certain actions and betrayed them. Thus I proposed using "abandoning morals" as an alternative for a general stance. In the end the honey trading captain betrays humanity as a whole, especially if he feeds them to the devil "For a few echo more".
You didn't want it to be used, because you think - even though you keep advocating the guide to be for beginners at some point - people will mistake it for the "Menace:Soulless" and the actual action of selling your soul to the devil or the apes. Well in the small instance they REALLY think they need their soul later in this guide, because they didn't read it all before following it (smart...), this at least let's them not do it. Soulless prevents you from collecting strategic info on Mt. Palmerston and surely some other things, so let's say stopping them from doing it isn't the worst idea.

So keep your stickling to a minimum, better yet, how about going about it enhancing the experience with a constructive "discussion". Besides, using "to stickle" or "stickler" to initiate discussions is stupid. You actually declare you want an argument, and not the good kind. From a native speaker, I expect more. Unless of course this is meant to reflect you and not your verbal knowledge. Then I question your values and goals for this forum, the threads you sometimes derail (<-- look at your rules post) and this argument as a whole. I love fair debates, if the goal is achieving general knowledge (your enigma would be one), but trying to force an argument... are we in 3rd grade? Will someone start trying to box the other next, because the arguments run away? Seriously...

I do concede that my immediate reaction with "especially with little or even worse wrong knowledge of the English language" was a little hard - and I forgot commas in there -, but the way you use your English, using "to stickle" or "selling your principles" in areas where they are best NOT used, seems to indicate a quite hypocritic stance to your own ideal of concise and correct. Could I have worded it differently? Yes. Does it change the matter at hand? No.

If you now want to contribute to this thread further, feel free to do so. But contribute to the topic and not this pointless argument. If you want the "guide" to look in your image, write it. I told you, you are free to use my ideas for a comprehensive guide on the red honey trade.

BUT... if you want to continue this pointless banter, at least DON'T do a full on quote. That is neither concise, nor correct, nor visually appealing.
Barrogh 15 ENE 2016 a las 12:45 a. m. 
Woah, woah. If noble-blooded gentlemen (in their umpteenth generations, no less) don't mind a company of a simple primate from eastern reaches of Unterzee, I would like to add my 5 echoes.

Publicado originalmente por Thamalandis:
If you didn't see this as "selling your soul" in the very meaning of the metaphor, your morals seem to be really messed up.
I'd say that using figures of speech is in no way related to your morals.

To be honest though, when you have a game with actual term/mechanic, it's a bit strange to expect people think figure of speech first, and the term - second. Sure, you've never posted anything confusing about it in your actual guide, but made a strong contender for "misleading title of the day" nevertheless. This is purely because of contexts of this board.

In fact, I've only clicked this because I was curious that someone found a better use for the quality than to acquire throwaway amount of echoes. Not that I think that it would only be fair - the quality itself is nearly worthless, apparently. But on the other hand, that's a good reminder that a soul is hardly what makes us human in FL 'verse. Context again.

Ook ook.
Última edición por Barrogh; 15 ENE 2016 a las 12:46 a. m.
Thamalandis 15 ENE 2016 a las 5:00 a. m. 
Fair and short point. I will consider modifying the headline at least.
Grawell 17 ENE 2016 a las 2:49 p. m. 
Woah. Helpful.
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