Why is Red Honey evil?

[Das Boot]

The game presents Red Honey as an evil thing, something that will cost you your soul and that upstanding Captains have no business using.

What's wrong with it? I can understand why selling human souls is wrong, but red honey?

[Bobert]

Originally posted by Das Boot:

The game presents Red Honey as an evil thing, something that will cost you your soul and that upstanding Captains have no business using.

What's wrong with it? I can understand why selling human souls is wrong, but red honey?

If I remember right, it's how it is made that makes it so bad and what it does to someone who uses it.

I think you have to kill someone/ do some weird voodoo hoodoo stuff and then when you have it. It's like a drug.

I could be very wrong but if I remember right that could be it.

[Lцсᶖаᶇ º¹]

Red Honey, Himalayan Red Honey, Deli Bal. When bees feed on the pollen of rhododendron flowers, the resulting honey can pack a hallucinogenic punch. It's called mad honey, and it has a slightly bitter taste and a reddish color.

[Wlerin]

Have you finished the quest to unlock buying it?

[Namikoyo]

It's implied that whenever you take a sip, it's sort of like drinking someone's soul away.

If the person who you've derived the red honey from is still alive, it's excruciating for them if anyone drinks their red honey, it's as if you're literally consuming their memories and maybe life force. Though, rarely this is done willingly in special circumstances by those who want their memories to live on in some form...

Red honey gives the drinker unbelievably realistic hallucinations of another person's life in exchange for horrid pain from the person whose memories/life you're drinking away.

[Ellixer]

Red honey allows the user to relive the memories of the victim without their consent. Back in Fallen London, this was a novelty, as it allows one, for example, to experience sunlight again through another's memories (because sunlight was fatal to Londoners at the time), or to experience a first love as many times as one pleases, or to experience life in another person's shoe. The issue here is that it causes unimaginable pain on the victim, provided they're still alive, and they usually are because the memories are more vivid if the owner lives. So back when London was in the Neath, honey-dens and other establishments would keep the victims in cages as they feel consumers of the red honey crawling through their brain. It's enough to permanently shatters the mind of some.

In Skies, the practice seems to be consensual, though the suffering remains and the reasonings of the "victims' seems bogus. Make of that what you will.

[Namikoyo]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

Red honey allows the user to relive the memories of the victim without their consent. Back in Fallen London, this was a novelty, as it allows one, for example, to experience sunlight again through another's memories (because sunlight was fatal to Londoners at the time), or to experience a first love as many times as one pleases, or to experience life in another person's shoe. The issue here is that it causes unimaginable pain on the victim, provided they're still alive, and they usually are because the memories are more vivid if the owner lives. So back when London was in the Neath, honey-dens and other establishments would keep the victims in cages as they feel consumers of the red honey crawling through their brain. It's enough to permanently shatters the mind of some.

In Skies, the practice seems to be consensual, though the suffering remains and the reasonings of the "victims' seems bogus. Make of that what you will.

Wow. I concede you have a much better answer. :)

[Das Boot]

Geese, I'm glad I'm not selling it then.

[Lцсᶖаᶇ º¹]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

Red honey allows the user to relive the memories of the victim without their consent. Back in Fallen London, this was a novelty, as it allows one, for example, to experience sunlight again through another's memories (because sunlight was fatal to Londoners at the time), or to experience a first love as many times as one pleases, or to experience life in another person's shoe. The issue here is that it causes unimaginable pain on the victim, provided they're still alive, and they usually are because the memories are more vivid if the owner lives. So back when London was in the Neath, honey-dens and other establishments would keep the victims in cages as they feel consumers of the red honey crawling through their brain. It's enough to permanently shatters the mind of some.

https://youtu.be/CLqAFIMgpIU

[Ellixer]

Originally posted by Linux Namikoyo:

Originally posted by Ellixer:

Red honey allows the user to relive the memories of the victim without their consent. Back in Fallen London, this was a novelty, as it allows one, for example, to experience sunlight again through another's memories (because sunlight was fatal to Londoners at the time), or to experience a first love as many times as one pleases, or to experience life in another person's shoe. The issue here is that it causes unimaginable pain on the victim, provided they're still alive, and they usually are because the memories are more vivid if the owner lives. So back when London was in the Neath, honey-dens and other establishments would keep the victims in cages as they feel consumers of the red honey crawling through their brain. It's enough to permanently shatters the mind of some.

In Skies, the practice seems to be consensual, though the suffering remains and the reasonings of the "victims' seems bogus. Make of that what you will.

Wow. I concede you have a much better answer. :)

Thank you! I'm a Fallen London enthusiast so I like to take every opportunity to explain the lroe.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by Das Boot:

Geese, I'm glad I'm not selling it then.

You can make lots and lots of money really fast. (The non-evil alternative is Searing Enigmas/Dread Surmises.)

[HoJu Eructus]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

Red honey allows the user to relive the memories of the victim without their consent. Back in Fallen London, this was a novelty, as it allows one, for example, to experience sunlight again through another's memories (because sunlight was fatal to Londoners at the time), or to experience a first love as many times as one pleases, or to experience life in another person's shoe. The issue here is that it causes unimaginable pain on the victim, provided they're still alive, and they usually are because the memories are more vivid if the owner lives. So back when London was in the Neath, honey-dens and other establishments would keep the victims in cages as they feel consumers of the red honey crawling through their brain. It's enough to permanently shatters the mind of some.

In Skies, the practice seems to be consensual, though the suffering remains and the reasonings of the "victims' seems bogus. Make of that what you will.

Not to mention the extraction process itself involves a bee crawling into your brain through your eye socket.

[Iced_Delulu]

Morality in fallen london is always a bit... weird.
Smuggle drugs, worst thing in the world. Eat people: nobody cares. Also the revolutionary options that actually change something are the ones that damage your run the most. No admirality is horrible for your run.

[Wlerin]

Considering the 'drugs' in question are basically eating people's memories... while they're alive...

[Ellixer]

Drugs that induce fates worse than death and basically created from human farm, mind you. I'm not sure if the game even judges you beyond letting you know what you're involved with and the drugs themselves being super illegal.

Revolutionary paths though, good or bad, should probably be more difficult. Cozying up to the status quo being the easier and more profitable path makes sense. You want to change something, your fight is harder. Other than the Revolutionaries often having a penchant for sociopathy and metaphysical anarchy, the story doesn't really judge Revolutionaries as all that evil either, no more than their enemies anyway.

[Iced_Delulu]

I do agree with that they could be more difficult, but the consequences aren't enough for that. They should end up being more interesting than what they currently constitute.
Another part of the game, which feels a bit unfinished... unfinished revolutionaries and faustic corsairs all the way.