Future Characters? Cut Content?

[BloodySin]

So, in one of the videos for Persephone's history (part 3), we get a list of the people she gathers to create Agents of Mayhem. With a little attention it can be noticed that Ark Staff have codes that start with "S-" (such as Mixer being S-04 and Gremlin S-01), while all agents are A-##... and there are a few that you don't play - as well as confirmation that Yeti is Oleg, same with Kingpin being Pierce.

Namely, we have:

Doomsday (Luther Shelby);
Crash Cart (Mason Cross);
Socket (Olav Kasperon);
Sable (Ilsa van Der Walt);
Houston (Holly Tanaka);
Coyote (Maddie Greyeyes); and
Safeword (Kinzie Kensington).

There's also Dynamo (Fatima Daoud), who's the timed console exclusive Lazarus (no idea why the rename, perhaps a whole power list rebuild), which if anything could be an indication that this might indeed be foreshadowing of Agents to come.

Personally I'd be quite interested in a whip-wielding, dominatrix looking Kinzie comeback, but I wonder if there will be anything like that in this game. While they kept all the foulmouths, the studio seems to have removed pretty much all the sexualized visuals options that we had in the Saints Row games, which is a pity.

For reference, the screen I'm talking about:
http://i.imgur.com/g1WDVVg.jpg

[Cutlass Jack]

I think its foreshadowing for agents if they ever do a sequel/expansion.

I hope they do add Kinzie at some point. I'd gladly buy that DLC. But she certainly doesn't required overly sexualized visuals. That's not really her at all.

[BloodySin]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

But she certainly doesn't required overly sexualized visuals. That's not really her at all.

You mustn't have played Saints Row 4 for you to say that. Or not be paying attention.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

But she certainly doesn't required overly sexualized visuals. That's not really her at all.

You mustn't have played Saints Row 4 for you to say that. Or not be paying attention.

She's a favorite of mine actually. Played only as her in GooH in fact. She's a complete perv, but she doesn't dress it. Closest she came was her super outfit with the cleavage.

What makes her fun is the stuff that comes out of her mouth thats so at odds with what you'd think a nerdy girl would say. And that type of dialogue would be just fine with this game.

[BloodySin]

She's a favorite of yours, yet you can't see her - even when her super in Saints Row 4 was basically she letting out her closet pervert - being dressed as such in any of her outfits, in an alternate universe? Then I can only assume you're one of those that preaches about the "objetification" of pixels...

[Teaspoon]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

There's also Dynamo (Fatima Daoud), who's the timed console exclusive Lazarus (no idea why the rename, perhaps a whole power list rebuild), which if anything could be an indication that this might indeed be foreshadowing of Agents to come.

Her code name was Dynamo. She nearly dies on the field and so Persephone rename's her Lazarus.

http://agents-of-mayhem.wikia.com/wiki/Lazarus

As for Kinzie her sexual nature was never outwardly apparent or visual, not to mention the agents don't really wear "costumes" like a dominatrix outfit. They're all fairly casual or tactical. Kinzie would only work in that context in this universe if she was a part of LEGION, not MAYHEM.

[BloodySin]

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

As for Kinzie her sexual nature was never outwardly apparent or visual

The already mentioned Super outfit of hers was quite apparent and visual.

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

not to mention the agents don't really wear "costumes" like a dominatrix outfit. They're all fairly casual or tactical

Yeti's Panthro, Holywood's Man of Iron, Daisy's She Devil, Fortune's Marina St. Fortunata, Gat's Gat P.I., Hardtack's An Officer And a Hardtack, Joule's Malibu Joule, Rama's every outfit, Sheherazade's every outfit, Braddock's Going Dutch and Red Card's Caramel Heartstar say hello.

Originally posted by Teaspoon:

Kinzie would only work in that context in this universe if she was a part of LEGION, not MAYHEM.

And you make that bold claim based on...?

[iron2010]

I do think we will get new agents via paid DLC as the open world seems suited to it with the infinite mini missions and the outposts but i do hope and prey they don't start adding paid skins DLC due to the fact the outfits are not changable.

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

But she certainly doesn't required overly sexualized visuals. That's not really her at all.

You mustn't have played Saints Row 4 for you to say that. Or not be paying attention.

I was, and the crux of her character is that she's a socially awkward misanthrope with a freaky fetish as a joke. The whole fetish thing works best with Kinzie when it's implied, not shown. Or brought up at rare moments for comedic effect. At least, to me, anyway.

[BloodySin]

Originally posted by Tea in the Sahara:

I was, and the crux of her character is that she's a socially awkward misanthrope with a freaky fetish as a joke. The whole fetish thing works best with Kinzie when it's implied, not shown. Or brought up at rare moments for comedic effect. At least, to me, anyway.

So fetishes work best as a joke, and should be kept hidden so the funny can keep on going, even in an alternate universe where Kinzie could be less of a "joke" in some of the over half a dozen outfits all the characters have, just to follow the same rule as before, no matter other returning characters having differences in traits and personalities. Gotcha.

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

Originally posted by Tea in the Sahara:

I was, and the crux of her character is that she's a socially awkward misanthrope with a freaky fetish as a joke. The whole fetish thing works best with Kinzie when it's implied, not shown. Or brought up at rare moments for comedic effect. At least, to me, anyway.

So fetishes work best as a joke, and should be kept hidden so the funny can keep on going, even in an alternate universe where Kinzie could be less of a "joke" in some of the over half a dozen outfits all the characters have, just to follow the same rule as before, no matter other returning characters having differences in traits and personalities. Gotcha.

No, Kinzie specificially works best that way. I also never said she was a joke. Kinzie is one of the best characters in the series with one of the most fleshed out personalities. But she works when her kinks are handled well. Not just painted all over her. Everyone else had a distinct lack of subtlety and nuance. Her fetish was something that was there but wasn't important enough to override her value to the Saints. It didn't define her. By pushing it to the front it loses it's charm and just becomes a theme to be played for bigger laughs.

[BloodySin]

Originally posted by Tea in the Sahara:

<insert personal subjectivity>

Summing it all up.

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

Originally posted by Tea in the Sahara:

<insert personal subjectivity>

Summing it all up.

No, just stating the obvious. Also stating something I made clear when I said:

At least, to me, anyway.

And your opinions aren't at all subjective, right? What is your point, exactly?

[BloodySin]

Originally posted by Tea in the Sahara:

And your opinions aren't at all subjective, right? What is your point, exactly?

I haven't been so boldly stating what's best and worst for the character as if I had full ownership of the "obvious." My point is exactly I don't care what you find better for the character, because you don't "know better."

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

She's a favorite of yours, yet you can't see her - even when her super in Saints Row 4 was basically she letting out her closet pervert - being dressed as such in any of her outfits, in an alternate universe? Then I can only assume you're one of those that preaches about the "objetification" of pixels...

Except I'm not. I'm 100% all for sexy outfits where it fits. If we were talking about Shaundi, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Kinzie's own dialogue addresses it. There was this joke about why she doesn't wear gimp suits to sex clubs. "Because they know who I am." That's Kinzie in a nutshell. She doesn't hide what she is. Its just not associated with her wardrobe choices.

Again, I enjoy having pixels objectified as much as anyone. And Volition has been very equal opportunity on most of their games where that's concerned. (Including this one, if you've seen the Hollywood tape.) I'm just saying Kinzie hasn't been defined by sexualized outfits. Which isn't to say they couldn't add another agent who absolutely is.

[Teaspoon]

Originally posted by BloodySin:

The already mentioned Super outfit of hers was quite apparent and visual.

That's not the same as her wearing a dominatrix outfit, not to mention it's not her casual/default attire.

Yeti's Panthro, Holywood's Man of Iron, Daisy's She Devil, Fortune's Marina St. Fortunata, Gat's Gat P.I., Hardtack's An Officer And a Hardtack, Joule's Malibu Joule, Rama's every outfit, Sheherazade's every outfit, Braddock's Going Dutch and Red Card's Caramel Heartstar say hello.

None of those are canon things that the characters wear. They're just meant to be fun/silly references.

If Kinzie had an alternate skin that made her look like a Dominatrix then sure, that would be fine, but for her default appearance it makes absolutely no sense.

And you make that bold claim based on...?

The LEGION character designs versus the MAYHEM ones.

Is it not obvious that MAYHEM and LEGION are just GI JOE and COBRA? The Joes and MAYHEM are like the Village People of the armed forces always looking as steriotypical to their backround as possible where LEGION and COBRA are where all the flashy/silly designs are.