whats with matchmaking?

[Andyman0018]

first time playing the game and im put up against people that easily have several thousand hours, so, my question is what moron made the matchmaking system and how does it work? clearly its a flawed setup if a rank 0 is up against some kinda rank 500+ for 7 games in a row...

[NOISEf]

Originally posted by Andyman0018:

first time playing the game and im put up against people that easily have several thousand hours, so, my question is what moron made the matchmaking system and how does it work? clearly its a flawed setup if a rank 0 is up against some kinda rank 500+ for 7 games in a row...

the matchmaking sucks like in most game i suggest to play against AI to get use to the game like i did and when ready go PVP

[Andyman0018]

Originally posted by NOISEf:

Originally posted by Andyman0018:

first time playing the game and im put up against people that easily have several thousand hours, so, my question is what moron made the matchmaking system and how does it work? clearly its a flawed setup if a rank 0 is up against some kinda rank 500+ for 7 games in a row...

the matchmaking sucks like in most game i suggest to play against AI to get use to the game like i did and when ready go PVP

do the ai put up a small challenge so i can get used to the game or are they just kinda there during a game?

[themiddlekitty]

you can set the AI difficulty between 3 levels

[el elegido]

Yeah I refunded bc of this lmao, not a bad game but imagine having to dedicate 100h just to enjoy a 1v1

[Queen Frau the Round]

Originally posted by themiddlekitty:

you can set the AI difficulty between 3 levels

Only in custom matches. For Vs AI matches with matchmaking, the bot level is determined based on player MMR.

[Apostle_of_Death]

I played the campaign and went on to be pretty successful, positive k/ds etc. Its just like a CoD game, run the campaign on at least hard, go body in multiplayer.

[Grumpy Giuseppe]

I am also new to For Honor and the AI is somehow weird balanced.

The Arcade game mode is really good and fun in my opinion.
With gear score 0 you can start at GS 36 or 72 difficulty and get some really good matches especially if there are 3 bots fighting you at the same time.

But in Multiplayer game mode you only get one bot for one player and the players basically can't loose.

Even in the campaign you get a realistic difficulty to give the bots a chance.

Player vs AI in multiplayer needs to be changed.

[Antik]

Originally posted by Andyman0018:

Originally posted by NOISEf:

the matchmaking sucks like in most game i suggest to play against AI to get use to the game like i did and when ready go PVP

do the ai put up a small challenge so i can get used to the game or are they just kinda there during a game?

Lvl 1 bots: perfect for beginners, barely put up a fight so you can focus on chaining attacks
Lvl 2 bots: will attack you and put up defence better than lvl 1
Lvl 3 bots: either a lvl 1 bot or will destroy you, a threat to even the most seasoned of veterans

[badger vortex]

The matchmaking seems alright up to a point, but once you're out of the "newbie pool" it'll consistently place against players with 100s more hours than you who are much more skilled

It's exactly same issue with games like Chivalry and Mordhau - over time the player base has gotten smaller and more skilled, so new players coming in don't face people equally as new. It's much less of a problem if you have a very large population to maintain the loss of those players and bring in new ones, but it doesn't seem to be the case here.

It's a shame because those games I mentioned were extremely fun for the first year or so but as the player base dwindled only the hardcore remained, and you had to be really good to just have a chance in normal matches

[kraekinn]

I have totally different view on this. IMO the matchmaking is one of the best i've seen. I just started the game after a 5 year pause. It basically checks your w/l ratio, K/D/A and reputation. SO even if the enemy is high ranked in reputation and has loads of hours in it - doesn't mean nothing about their w/l ratio or K/D/A.

People with loads of hours can still be bad at the game - that's what i've witnessed.

[badger vortex]

Originally posted by kraekinn:

I have totally different view on this. IMO the matchmaking is one of the best i've seen. I just started the game after a 5 year pause. It basically checks your w/l ratio, K/D/A and reputation. SO even if the enemy is high ranked in reputation and has loads of hours in it - doesn't mean nothing about their w/l ratio or K/D/A.

People with loads of hours can still be bad at the game - that's what i've witnessed.

Yeah I've seen this argument but it seems pretty weak, in general having that much time spent in the game it's very unlikely they will be worse than a new player/bad

The matchmaking "skill check" or whatever is complete nonsense too the "on par" "more skilled" "less skilled" yet consistently see the opposite true of what it's supposed to be.

[Tacticowl]

The matchmaking is why I almost exclusively play PvAI and Custom Matches with friends.

Outside of 1v1 Duels, which use their own independant ranking system, the matchmaking Is god awful.

[Tacticowl]

Originally posted by kraekinn:

I have totally different view on this. IMO the matchmaking is one of the best i've seen. I just started the game after a 5 year pause. It basically checks your w/l ratio, K/D/A and reputation. SO even if the enemy is high ranked in reputation and has loads of hours in it - doesn't mean nothing about their w/l ratio or K/D/A.

People with loads of hours can still be bad at the game - that's what i've witnessed.

The problem is that this system opens up to (unintentional) smurfing: High Rep players can lose a lot of matches by playing a new character theyre not familiar with, so the matchmaking thinks they have low skill, so the game starts putting them against low rep new players, which is a very bad issue because they have NO chance. Having 40/60 winrate in high rep matches is NOT the same as having a 40/60 winrate in low rep matches, and the system doesn't understand this. It only looks at the KD and winrate, and not against how good the people were that you killed/won or lost against. Losing against a pro shouldnt be treated the same as losing against a noob, but it is.

Sure, someone with 2000 hours COULD be as bad as someone with 20 hours, but realistically this just never happens.

In order for this system to work, you need to have a different skill ranking depending on the character, like other fighting games like Tekken do. And even tekken gives you a minimum rank for the other characters depending on your highest ranked character, so you can't just switch character and smurf.

[badger vortex]

Originally posted by Matame:

The problem is that this system opens up to (unintentional) smurfing: High Rep players can lose a lot of matches by playing a new character theyre not familiar with, so the matchmaking thinks they have low skill, so the game starts putting them against low rep new players, which is a very bad issue because they have NO chance. Having 40/60 winrate in high rep matches is NOT the same as having a 40/60 winrate in low rep matches, and the system doesn't understand this. It only looks at the KD and winrate, and not against how good the people were that you killed/won or lost against. Losing against a pro shouldnt be treated the same as losing against a noob, but it is.

Sure, someone with 2000 hours COULD be as bad as someone with 20 hours, but realistically this just never happens.

In order for this system to work, you need to have a different skill ranking depending on the character, like other fighting games like Tekken do. And even tekken gives you a minimum rank for the other characters depending on your highest ranked character, so you can't just switch character and smurf.

Wait that's how it works?? I just assumed it would take into account WHO you won or lost against, like, I dunno every other online PvP game I've played. If it just goes on W/L and KDA that's figures why it's working so poorly as it is now.