So, what about the balance?

[SilentSalo]

So. Today I'd like to raise the question AT LEAST about Jormungandr. Like, seriously? How does this "thing" can even exist? He've got a bash that guarantee him a 30 damage, but it's still feintable and even can't be guardbroken? Huh? Then why do we have Centurion, which can't even commit his 1st lvl punch, cuz he will be guardbroken for that? Or even if you fully charge the punch your enemy can just double dodge it? Lmao, who tf made the rework? Bro has fast lights, fast zone, overpowered bash in 1v1 (and 4x4 too tho). You can just freaking spam light, ublockable, feint, light, bash and win. Wtf are you thinking about?

[SN0K0]

I use hammer hehe you died

[Hexiuu]

As someone who played jorm for 8 reps after buff I can say he's strong, but not op. Orochi is broken lol

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

So. Today I'd like to raise the question AT LEAST about Jormungandr. Like, seriously? How does this "thing" can even exist?

It exists as a massive improvement to the old version.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

He've got a bash that guarantee him a 30 damage, but it's still feintable and even can't be guardbroken?

It can be GBd.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Huh? Then why do we have Centurion, which can't even commit his 1st lvl punch, cuz he will be guardbroken for that? Or even if you fully charge the punch your enemy can just double dodge it?

Centurion has problems yes, I think everyone is aware of that.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Lmao, who tf made the rework? Bro has fast lights,

They're basic speed.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

fast zone,

This is also basic speed.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

overpowered bash in 1v1

Use spacebar.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

(and 4x4 too tho).

This thing's punish is a full second long and unarmored, get a teammate to stop him ffs.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

You can just freaking spam light, ublockable, feint, light, bash and win. Wtf are you thinking about?

No idea who's light spamming on any hero nevermind Jorm who doesn't use lights hardly ever.

Originally posted by Hexiuu:

As someone who played jorm for 8 reps after buff I can say he's strong, but not op. Orochi is broken lol

Orochi is just annoying, he's not even all that great.

[SN0K0]

Orochi do be mad annoying though fr

[SilentSalo]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

It can be GBd.

No, it's not if Jorm does unblockable.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

It exists as a massive improvement to the old version.

Jorm was good before rework too (had 8 reps on him before rework). I can definitely tell that his rework is too big, shouldn't be that strong.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

This thing's punish is a full second long and unarmored, get a teammate to stop him ffs.

Still bad argument, cuz randoms are dumb (fact) and I'm talking about 1v2, 1v3 situations.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Use spacebar.

Huh? Tf is this argument? If I use spacebar he cancels and gb me? Or if I use dodge attack, he just parry me?

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

They're basic speed.

Still stupid animation.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

They're basic speed.

No? Almost like a light, but can't be punished right.

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

No, it's not if Jorm does unblockable.

You're late dodging then, this can be GBed consistently.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Jorm was good before rework too (had 8 reps on him before rework). I can definitely tell that his rework is too big, shouldn't be that strong.

No he was not, his moveset didn't even function correctly on a baseline level.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Still bad argument, cuz randoms are dumb (fact) and I'm talking ablout 1v2, 1v3 situations.

Well aware randoms are stupid and how annoying that is, but we don't balance around stupid. And Jorm's bash isn't even that great for 1vX scenarios because of its revenge feed values, 30 for the bash and another 30 for the punish, that's 60 revenge already excluding anything your teammates throw. Honestly there's not even a low chance you could 0-100 someone's revenge meter just doing this once.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Huh? Tf is this argument? If I use spacebar he cancels and gb me? Or if I use dodge attack, he just parry me?

What you have described is the entire premise of the game and how any actually working mixup operates. Jorm is nothing unique here.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Still stupid animation.

Agree a bit here, the new animations on the lights are jank.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

No? Almost like a light, but can't be punished right.

Its a 500ms zone, legit half the roster has a zone at that speed.

[SilentSalo]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

You're late dodging then, this can be GBed consistently.

You are sure you are talking about 30 damage bash? Because I'm literally 100% sure that you can't if he continues his combo. And still, about "dodging late". If you dodge early he will just parry/gb you.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

No he was not, his moveset didn't even function correctly on a baseline level.

Somehow I did good on him still.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Well aware randoms are stupid and how annoying that is, but we don't balance around stupid. And Jorm's bash isn't even that great for 1vX scenarios because of its revenge feed values, 30 for the bash and another 30 for the punish, that's 60 revenge already excluding anything your teammates throw. Honestly there's not even a low chance you could 0-100 someone's revenge meter just doing this once.

I'm literally dying almost all the time even if I got revenge, cuz there is 2 jorms that just reduce your HP by 60 and a lawbro that stun you. So, even if you already activated your revenge, Jorm still will just spam that bash and can catch you, lol.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

What you have described is the entire premise of the game and how any actually working mixup operates. Jorm is nothing unique here.

It shouldn't be THAT easy. Like, to be good at game, you should make some effort, but that's not about Jorm at all.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Agree a bit here, the new animations on the lights are jank.

Huh.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Its a 500ms zone, legit half the roster has a zone at that speed.

But they cost a bit more stamina and can't be spammed, isn't it?

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

You are sure you re talking about 30 damage bash? Because I'm literally 100% sure that you can't if he continues his combo. And still, about "dodging late". If you dodge early he will just parry/gb you.

Yes I'm sure, this has been tested. Look up a guy called "Freeze" on youtube, he's got a whole video on this.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

Somehow I did good on him still.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Well aware randoms are stupid and how annoying that is

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

I'm literally dying almost all the time even if I got revenge, cuz there is 2 jorms that just reduce your HP by 60 and a lawbro that stun you. So, even if you already activated your revenge, Jorm still will just spam that bash and can catch you, lol.

If you've got revenge focus the Jorm, he should be a priority target considering how easy he can knock you over. Leaving him be so that he can spam the knockdown repeatedly while you actively have revenge is a massive mistake.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

It shouldn't be THAT easy. Like, to be goot at game, you should make some effort, but that's not about Jorm at all.

Again Jorm is no different to everyone else here. In fact his mixup is more difficult than a lot of others considering its lack of safety and high interruptibility.

Originally posted by SilentSalo:

But they cost a bit more stamina and can't be spammed, isn't it?

Nope his stamina cost is normal too. There's literally nothing unique about this zone.