Shaolin is a problem

[JMackGaming]

He can cancel his leg sweep, side dodge attacks, and his forward dodge heavy. these wouldn't be that bad if he didn't have oodles of stamina and undodgables and a near infinite nuber of mixups.

[🚛 Akehiko ⬛️💀🟧]

That happens when you're fighting with a light long stick

[MrPibbs]

Shaolin has the standard (minimum) stamina, 120. The majority of heroes have 120 stamina, and all of those who don't have more than 120. His stamina economy is also actually worse than a standard hero due to him needing to spend extra stamina on side combo lights and
Qi stance entry.

He also absolutely cannot cancel his dodge attacks. He can feint his side heavies from Qi stance, but those are not dodge attacks.

https://forhonorinfohub.com/character?=28

But yeah he's a good, strong character rn.

[scrafty the kobold]

yah ♥♥♥♥ that character. he has minimum stamina but the biggest problem it it doesn't matter sense none of his attacks or stance change drain any decent stamina, hell his stance literally NO stamina to go in to.
those undodgable attacks there he runs to the side aren't dodges but they can still be canceled sense there counted as heavies witch is irritating and easily mistaken as dodge attacks.
the character has so many insane moves with little to no downside. he doesn't drain hardly any stamina, he has mix ups for days, has nearly very mechanic they could possibly tack on, has great reach, has great abilities, is incredible in 1v1 and team fights with the only downside of needing to go in to a stance to use all of there best moves. love this game but the balancing makes zero sense to me

[MrPibbs]

Originally posted by scrafty the kobold:

yah ♥♥♥♥ that character. he has minimum stamina but the biggest problem it it doesn't matter sense none of his attacks or stance change drain any decent stamina, hell his stance literally NO stamina to go in to.
those undodgable attacks there he runs to the side aren't dodges but they can still be canceled sense there counted as heavies witch is irritating and easily mistaken as dodge attacks.
the character has so many insane moves with little to no downside. he doesn't drain hardly any stamina, he has mix ups for days, has nearly very mechanic they could possibly tack on, has great reach, has great abilities, is incredible in 1v1 and team fights with the only downside of needing to go in to a stance to use all of there best moves. love this game but the balancing makes zero sense to me

Dude I even posted a link directly to the infohub so you could check before you spread misinformation.

His attacks on the whole drain standard stamina. 12 for heavies, 9 for lights, 6 for combo lights. His dodge attacks are standard, and his bashes are around standard (stance and neutral). His deflect actually apparently costs over double the standards cost (20 vs 9). The only move he has that could arguably be lower than usual cost is his zone, which is 12 stamina per hit.

He also does use stamina to enter his stance, 8 stamina. This is less than full blocks, barely (10), but more than say Medjay or Highlander (both are free) and of course every other hero that doesn't need to enter a stance at all to play offense.

Shaolin is far from the only character to have feintable undodgeable heavies. BP, Afeera, Nobushi, Kyoshin, Shinobi all have them, and they're cheaper to use. Shaolin's does look a lot like a dodge attack despite not being one though, sure.

Yes however he is a very good character.

[NekoHasagi]

Originally posted by MrPibbs:

Shaolin has the standard (minimum) stamina, 120. The majority of heroes have 120 stamina, and all of those who don't have more than 120. His stamina economy is also actually worse than a standard hero due to him needing to spend extra stamina on side combo lights and
Qi stance entry.

He also absolutely cannot cancel his dodge attacks. He can feint his side heavies from Qi stance, but those are not dodge attacks.

https://forhonorinfohub.com/character?=28

But yeah he's a good, strong character rn.

yeah buddy imagine if he was able, somehow his undodgeable swing feels like a dodge atk.
this monkey wont be a problem if the idiot ubisoft know if sweep was the most broken ♥♥♥♥ on the game, now this one are feintable.

IT SHOULDNT

[NekoHasagi]

Originally posted by MrPibbs:

Originally posted by scrafty the kobold:

yah ♥♥♥♥ that character. he has minimum stamina but the biggest problem it it doesn't matter sense none of his attacks or stance change drain any decent stamina, hell his stance literally NO stamina to go in to.
those undodgable attacks there he runs to the side aren't dodges but they can still be canceled sense there counted as heavies witch is irritating and easily mistaken as dodge attacks.
the character has so many insane moves with little to no downside. he doesn't drain hardly any stamina, he has mix ups for days, has nearly very mechanic they could possibly tack on, has great reach, has great abilities, is incredible in 1v1 and team fights with the only downside of needing to go in to a stance to use all of there best moves. love this game but the balancing makes zero sense to me

Dude I even posted a link directly to the infohub so you could check before you spread misinformation.

His attacks on the whole drain standard stamina. 12 for heavies, 9 for lights, 6 for combo lights. His dodge attacks are standard, and his bashes are around standard (stance and neutral). His deflect actually apparently costs over double the standards cost (20 vs 9). The only move he has that could arguably be lower than usual cost is his zone, which is 12 stamina per hit.

He also does use stamina to enter his stance, 8 stamina. This is less than full blocks, barely (10), but more than say Medjay or Highlander (both are free) and of course every other hero that doesn't need to enter a stance at all to play offense.

Shaolin is far from the only character to have feintable undodgeable heavies. BP, Afeera, Nobushi, Kyoshin, Shinobi all have them, and they're cheaper to use. Shaolin's does look a lot like a dodge attack despite not being one though, sure.

Yes however he is a very good character.

he could if

THE DAMN SWEEP ARENT FEINTABLE

[MrPibbs]

Originally posted by NekoHasagi:

Originally posted by MrPibbs:

Dude I even posted a link directly to the infohub so you could check before you spread misinformation.

His attacks on the whole drain standard stamina. 12 for heavies, 9 for lights, 6 for combo lights. His dodge attacks are standard, and his bashes are around standard (stance and neutral). His deflect actually apparently costs over double the standards cost (20 vs 9). The only move he has that could arguably be lower than usual cost is his zone, which is 12 stamina per hit.

He also does use stamina to enter his stance, 8 stamina. This is less than full blocks, barely (10), but more than say Medjay or Highlander (both are free) and of course every other hero that doesn't need to enter a stance at all to play offense.

Shaolin is far from the only character to have feintable undodgeable heavies. BP, Afeera, Nobushi, Kyoshin, Shinobi all have them, and they're cheaper to use. Shaolin's does look a lot like a dodge attack despite not being one though, sure.

Yes however he is a very good character.

he could if

THE DAMN SWEEP ARENT FEINTABLE

I understand the frustration at Shaolin's sweep, it's a pretty frustrating move. But if it wasn't feintable, it would be garbage. In a straight 1v1 it'd be useless, considering everytime you saw it you could dodge attack the Shaolin for free with no read required. Also considering sweep is his only option after a Qi stance attack, Shaolin would be forced to return to neutral after he plays offense. If that's good or bad depends on the player, but his flow would feel a lot worse (imagine Highlander could only land a single offensive heavy and then had to return to defensive stance, as an example).

Sweep would therefore be relegated to a gank-only move, similar to Medjay's grab or LB's longarm, However unlike those two, Shaolin's sweep is hidden deep into his chain (he needs to use a neutral attack and then a qi stance attack without being interrupted or countered). Would means it'd likely be worse than even freakin longarm.