Beating the orochi

[NinjaMKDJ]

How do I beat the orochi. They always dodge out of my attacks and spam storm rush and even if I try to guard break when they dodge, apparently their dodge attack just ignores it and they can still go through with the dodge and hit me. Any tips? Also, is there any heroes that just counter orochi or other annoying, fast samurais? I have enough silver to get anyone and I am thinking about trying a new hero.

[iCoffey]

To counter their dodge attack, do not go for gb, instead just parry their dodge attack and throw a guaranteed heavy. Go for gb only if orochi tries to adapt and does not use his dodge attack anymore.
If you getting spammed with storm rush, interrupt him with your light. But be careful to not get parried.
Currently Orochi doesn't have any hard match-ups, best counter against him is patience.

[Spooky7.62]

Storm rush < light attack (distance is important)

Dodge lights < deflects punishes & parries

Thats all you really need

Dodge attacking over and over will get you killed.

If the orochi starts dodge attacking between targets you have a different problem.

[Ēarendel]

Try heroes that have defensive countertattacks or attacks that can't be canceled (heavies, assassins) if its dominion do not engage 1vs1. Guaranteed you will be playing defensive if they're dodge attacking you successfully, in which case you will run out of HP faster than them. The people above you are giving 200 IQ answers "parry" as if you did not have the brain to try that.

[Spooky7.62]

Originally posted by Ēarendel:

Try heroes that have defensive countertattacks or attacks that can't be canceled (heavies, assassins) if its dominion do not engage 1vs1. Guaranteed you will be playing defensive if they're dodge attacking you successfully, in which case you will run out of HP faster than them. The people above you are giving 200 IQ answers "parry" as if you did not have the brain to try that.

Makes more since than avoiding a 1v1 in a 4v4 as a means of a solution.

Parry side dodge lights, if you want to stop the offense.

You can block but that doesnt stop the orochi.

They could also light the orochi out of there dodges.

The answer of parry is literally how you deal with the move, all op has to do is wait for a poorly placed or impulse dodge lights or storm rush, something clearly exterminator and myself have mentioned.

[Ēarendel]

Originally posted by Spooky7.62:

Originally posted by Ēarendel:

Try heroes that have defensive countertattacks or attacks that can't be canceled (heavies, assassins) if its dominion do not engage 1vs1. Guaranteed you will be playing defensive if they're dodge attacking you successfully, in which case you will run out of HP faster than them. The people above you are giving 200 IQ answers "parry" as if you did not have the brain to try that.

Makes more since than avoiding a 1v1 in a 4v4 as a means of a solution.

Parry side dodge lights, if you want to stop the offense.

You can block but that doesnt stop the orochi.

They could also light the orochi out of there dodges.

The answer of parry is literally how you deal with the move, all op has to do is wait for a poorly placed or impulse dodge lights or storm rush, something clearly exterminator and myself have mentioned.

Its a non-answer. You could literally say "parry" to any question that concerns combat and leave it at that.

Also good luck light attacking a dodge attack, like parrying, it would depend on timing and luck, rather than strategy.

[Spooky7.62]

Originally posted by Ēarendel:

Originally posted by Spooky7.62:

Makes more since than avoiding a 1v1 in a 4v4 as a means of a solution.

Parry side dodge lights, if you want to stop the offense.

You can block but that doesnt stop the orochi.

They could also light the orochi out of there dodges.

The answer of parry is literally how you deal with the move, all op has to do is wait for a poorly placed or impulse dodge lights or storm rush, something clearly exterminator and myself have mentioned.

Its a non-answer. You could literally say "parry" to any question that concerns combat and leave it at that.

Also good luck light attacking a dodge attack, like parrying, it would depend on timing and luck, rather than strategy.

I attack people out of dodge all the time.

[Spooky7.62]

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I light him out of a dodge at 0:15 this happens alot.

Its not a non-answer if its the answer.

That would be called being ignorant.

[iCoffey]

Originally posted by Spooky7.62:

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I light him out of a dodge at 0:15 this happens alot.

Its not a non-answer if its the answer.

That would be called being ignorant.

You lighted him out of his bash, not the dodge itself. On his very next dodge your light missed and you took shino's bash. Against characters like Orochi or Pirate your light will be even more inconsistent. You can just as well feint to neutral and then punish their dodges with your undodgeable dodge attack, it will catch them more often.

[Spooky7.62]

Originally posted by coronavirus exterminator:

Originally posted by Spooky7.62:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2801424609

I light him out of a dodge at 0:15 this happens alot.

Its not a non-answer if its the answer.

That would be called being ignorant.

You lighted him out of his bash, not the dodge itself. On his very next dodge your light missed and you took shino's bash. Against characters like Orochi or Pirate your light will be even more inconsistent. You can just as well feint to neutral and then punish their dodges with your undodgeable dodge attack, it will catch them more often.

I look at the them the same, to enter his bash he needs to dodge.

I do it often to pirates and orochi, happens alot with players who like to dodge.

For instance with orochi ill throw out a light heavy light mix up, and normally the first light will land, they will dodge the heavy but get caught by the follow up light, this sometimes happens mid their dodge and sometimes my HA tanks it; just a matter of timing.

[iCoffey]

Originally posted by Spooky7.62:

Originally posted by coronavirus exterminator:

You lighted him out of his bash, not the dodge itself. On his very next dodge your light missed and you took shino's bash. Against characters like Orochi or Pirate your light will be even more inconsistent. You can just as well feint to neutral and then punish their dodges with your undodgeable dodge attack, it will catch them more often.

I look at the them the same, to enter his bash he needs to dodge.

I do it often to pirates and orochi, happens alot with players who like to dodge.

For instance with orochi ill throw out a light heavy light mix up, and normally the first light will land, they will dodge the heavy but get caught by the follow up light, this sometimes happens mid their dodge and sometimes my HA tanks it; just a matter of timing.

Basically his dodge has i-frames, his bash does not. Should Shinobi delay his first dodge or second one - he will avoid your light, or can even deflect in on accident.
Even more - against Orochi you land 12dmg light, when you can just parry his dodge attack and land a 24dmg heavy. Against Pirates or Kensei you can land a deflect for heavy follow-up too, but even if you're not confident in your defelct you can just go for a regular parry - that way you will deal 12dmg light without trading with their 14dmg dodge attack. Otherwise, if you do not want to feint to neutral, you'd better trade with your heavy, not your light.