Kyoshin is underwhelming and will become unviable soon wen people get accustomed to him.

[Bjerk]

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

[Silvers]

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

Oh no a character that can't spam bashes all day and win is totally bad. How about you learn how to play a character that needs some brain instead of complaining that he isn't another bash only hero ffs?

[Gaser]

Originally posted by Silvers:

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

Oh no a character that can't spam bashes all day and win is totally bad. How about you learn how to play a character that needs some brain instead of complaining that he isn't another bash only hero ffs?

I mean if a character can just win by spamming bashes then the person on the receiving end is maybe to blame.

His forward bash and combo bash being GB open is kinda stupid. (Even trough for the bash it only counts for light attack hit stun)

[KeyKey]

Dunno if you got the memo
But the Kyoshin is supposed to be weak. He's a defender, literally. I mean yea, you could argue about the stamina loss on some moves, but Bruh. This character is not supposed to bash out damage like Warmonger oder Jorgen. He's supposed to be a defensive character with focus on counter potential. He's literally a Conq with Aramushas counter, minus the timing you need for the stance. There are plenty Kyoshins already that can easily whack other players asses just by focusing on their defensive. Why do you think is it stated in his playstyle?

[Oath Ooze Beer]

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

Mate you're absolutely right about everything you mentioned.

[Oath Ooze Beer]

Originally posted by KeyKey:

Dunno if you got the memo
But the Kyoshin is supposed to be weak.

Non of the heroes should be weak, non of them.

[Oath Ooze Beer]

Originally posted by Silvers:

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

Oh no a character that can't spam bashes all day and win is totally bad. How about you learn how to play a character that needs some brain instead of complaining that he isn't another bash only hero ffs?

He gave some correct information and all you can say is ''omg he needs brain to play go play good haha brrrr''

[Silvers]

Originally posted by OniKage - 鬼陰:

Originally posted by Silvers:

Oh no a character that can't spam bashes all day and win is totally bad. How about you learn how to play a character that needs some brain instead of complaining that he isn't another bash only hero ffs?

He gave some correct information and all you can say is ''omg he needs brain to play go play good haha brrrr''

The only thing that could be changed would be upping his dmg numbers a bit on some attacks. The rest is absolutely fine. Yes he is very vulnerable after missing his bash or kick but kyoshin isn't another bash to win type of hero thank god. He is all about countering and keeping your combo fluid. But of course the for honor community today expects a new hero to be 80% spamming his bash for guaranteed damage and forget the rest of the moveset. With kyoshin you need to make use of all the tools he has available to make the most of him. I've played enough with him already and had no problem other than what i said before. Ubi finally did a good job not creating another hero who just spams bashes to win and don't care about what your enemy does. Kyoshin is finally a character that brings back what for honor should be about : Reading and countering your enemy NOT just spamming your way with bashes through

[Gaser]

Originally posted by KeyKey:

Dunno if you got the memo
But the Kyoshin is supposed to be weak. He's a defender, literally. I mean yea, you could argue about the stamina loss on some moves, but Bruh. This character is not supposed to bash out damage like Warmonger oder Jorgen. He's supposed to be a defensive character with focus on counter potential. He's literally a Conq with Aramushas counter, minus the timing you need for the stance. There are plenty Kyoshins already that can easily whack other players asses just by focusing on their defensive. Why do you think is it stated in his playstyle?

Don’t know, even a defender should have some hit boxes that hit more then one person.

Also bashes that give a light should never really be open to GBs butchers the risk and reward.

His counter ain’t even that great besides that the light attack one lacks any GB frames so you can react to GBs.

[Neo]

Originally posted by Nagoco:

he's not op and he ain't balanced either he's trash easy to beat i could beat the new hero with eyes closed

cool story, bro

[Neo]

Originally posted by KeyKey:

Dunno if you got the memo
But the Kyoshin is supposed to be weak. He's a defender, literally. I mean yea, you could argue about the stamina loss on some moves, but Bruh. This character is not supposed to bash out damage like Warmonger oder Jorgen. He's supposed to be a defensive character with focus on counter potential. He's literally a Conq with Aramushas counter, minus the timing you need for the stance. There are plenty Kyoshins already that can easily whack other players asses just by focusing on their defensive. Why do you think is it stated in his playstyle?

defensiveness is cringe

[KeyKey]

Originally posted by Alphablock:

defensiveness is cringe

True, lets just remove every defensive ability. From dodging to parrying

[Oath Ooze Beer]

Originally posted by Silvers:

Originally posted by OniKage - 鬼陰:

He gave some correct information and all you can say is ''omg he needs brain to play go play good haha brrrr''

The only thing that could be changed would be upping his dmg numbers a bit on some attacks. The rest is absolutely fine. Yes he is very vulnerable after missing his bash or kick but kyoshin isn't another bash to win type of hero thank god. He is all about countering and keeping your combo fluid. But of course the for honor community today expects a new hero to be 80% spamming his bash for guaranteed damage and forget the rest of the moveset. With kyoshin you need to make use of all the tools he has available to make the most of him. I've played enough with him already and had no problem other than what i said before. Ubi finally did a good job not creating another hero who just spams bashes to win and don't care about what your enemy does. Kyoshin is finally a character that brings back what for honor should be about : Reading and countering your enemy NOT just spamming your way with bashes through

Sure, yeah absolutely...

[Nagoco]

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

Kyoshin is not very good. He is alrigt in Dominion but even then the stamina cost for some moves is too muc especially considering the low damage.

Hitboxes = Horrendous (Except Fujin Force)
Lights and Heavies = Slow
Bashes = Super Unsafe, Easy to Punish, does not lead to much damage at all
Recoveries = Dreadful, pretty much not existent. The only move with good recovery is fujin force but that is a very easy move to parry and it is needlessly hard to use it as a crushing counter.
Guard-break = Did not know they could mess up a guardbreak? wow.
Damage = Next to none (although in dominion when you get a counter attack from kaze stance your teammates can easily guarantee some good damage but that is the case for many characters anyway if people know how to time attacks in gank so it is not that relevant)
Stamina = NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please. He is super fun to play. He should be more viable.

Everyone who says he is OP is either bad or drunk and everyone who says he is balanced thinks balanced means C tier.

New hero is weak like seven days

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by FeebleFrank:

NOT GOOD.

Fix him, please./quote]
Say it with me, I spammed bash and I'm in trouble

[Gaser]

If you gonna taunt someone it helps to not mess up the quote lol

https://youtu.be/7zOx6nQikz4