Nobushi

[Csx39]

With her new kick in more instances it just wont let you dodge and i have zero idea why

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

引用自 Evicerine：

引用自 Grey Giver：

Reflex guard, outside of any bugs, is an advantage because it has no delay.

You are saying top light and zone are easy parries, then what the heck are Lawbringer's SLOW attacks?

No one attacks with Lawbringer. Orochi and LB are both ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a 1v1 because neither can do anything to the other, but in the even that one of them slips up, the Orochi gets hit by a much larger punish while Lawbringer takes a heavy and goes on with his day.

Orochi has deflects and dodge attacks, plus an assassin back dodge. He is good against shove mixups.

[Imcold]

引用自 Grey Giver：

引用自 Evicerine：

No one attacks with Lawbringer. Orochi and LB are both ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a 1v1 because neither can do anything to the other, but in the even that one of them slips up, the Orochi gets hit by a much larger punish while Lawbringer takes a heavy and goes on with his day.

Orochi has deflects and dodge attacks, plus an assassin back dodge. He is good against shove mixups.

Dodge attacks are meaningless. Shove, heavy attack-feint, parry light dodge attack and you get a bunch of damage. There is no being particularly being good against shove mix ups as anybody in the game can roll away. Same goes for back dodge, if someone can't back dodge they can just roll away. I know that takes stamina but what can a LB do to someone that's out of stam? If he tries to do light-heavy-unblockable finisher heavy, anyone can back dodge after the first heavy and they'd be out of range for guard break if you cancel the attack and out of range of the attack if they dodge right after the heavy anyways.

[Paradox]

引用自 Grey Giver：

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Reflex guard, outside of any bugs, is an advantage because it has no delay.
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I disagree. The extra ~50ms delay that is there for actions after switching guards with standard guard (actions other than switching guard) is a small price to pay for being able to completely shut down an entire direction and not having to worry about refeshing it.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

引用自 Evicerine：

引用自 Grey Giver：

Orochi has deflects and dodge attacks, plus an assassin back dodge. He is good against shove mixups.

Dodge attacks are meaningless. Shove, heavy attack-feint, parry light dodge attack and you get a bunch of damage. There is no being particularly being good against shove mix ups as anybody in the game can roll away. Same goes for back dodge, if someone can't back dodge they can just roll away. I know that takes stamina but what can a LB do to someone that's out of stam? If he tries to do light-heavy-unblockable finisher heavy, anyone can back dodge after the first heavy and they'd be out of range for guard break if you cancel the attack and out of range of the attack if they dodge right after the heavy anyways.

If an Orochi back dodges in reaction to an attack indicator, nothing LB does will catch him.

So in the end, Orochi has the option to either be compeltely safe, or get good punishes on the shove mixup.

Dodge attacks do beat heavy after shove.

[Sabaton]

i dodge her kick 100% sideway ( kensei)

that's maybe because she is my main hero , i think Nobushi is the weakest with orochi valkries .

all she got is her kick once u adapt to the timing she is as good as dead

[Uncle Draža]

引用自 Paradox：

Hard for me to say which is better, orochi or LB. I think they are both bad, but...

Which is better kind of depends on what you are up against. If you are up against someone you can easily punish, LB wins (faster). If you are up against a reflex guard hero and they aren't very good at blocking, orochi wins.

However, I'd also point out that Shinobi is basically in the same boat as Orochi, though, he has slightly better punish damage.

This is in duels, in 4's it is pretty obvious that LB is better and Shinobi isn't terrible in 4's either, though not a great pick.

Shinobi is a way better character that people think, I almost never see his lights get parried, and he has a very diverse moveset. In 4v4 he can be immortal using his 4th feat to heal as much damage as he inflicts.

[Paradox]

引用自 yung malaria：

引用自 Paradox：

Hard for me to say which is better, orochi or LB. I think they are both bad, but...

Which is better kind of depends on what you are up against. If you are up against someone you can easily punish, LB wins (faster). If you are up against a reflex guard hero and they aren't very good at blocking, orochi wins.

However, I'd also point out that Shinobi is basically in the same boat as Orochi, though, he has slightly better punish damage.

This is in duels, in 4's it is pretty obvious that LB is better and Shinobi isn't terrible in 4's either, though not a great pick.

Shinobi is a way better character that people think, I almost never see his lights get parried, and he has a very diverse moveset. In 4v4 he can be immortal using his 4th feat to heal as much damage as he inflicts.

Nah, Shinobi is actually worse than many people think.

As for his moveset, it's actually fairly small (probably the most padded movelist in the game). His lights are pretty much all he has other than punishes. That he can throw a ranged heavy after a kick and a backflip, isn't really all that helpful in most situations.

[Rotiart]

引用自 Paradox：

引用自 yung malaria：

Shinobi is a way better character that people think, I almost never see his lights get parried, and he has a very diverse moveset. In 4v4 he can be immortal using his 4th feat to heal as much damage as he inflicts.

Nah, Shinobi is actually worse than many people think.

As for his moveset, it's actually fairly small (probably the most padded movelist in the game). His lights are pretty much all he has other than punishes. That he can throw a ranged heavy after a kick and a backflip, isn't really all that helpful in most situations.

Yeah, but his defense game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy good. If things get too heated for him, he can run, and either stop to throw out ranged attacks, or continue to run and get support.