An actual solution for warmonger feats.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

This is a very long post, so get ready to read a bunch.

So as you all know warmommy's feats are busted and it is no surprise that they're a little bit too good in gamemodes like dominion and breach because of the high presence of allied NPCs and players in objectives, making it too influential when it comes to contesting for said objectives.

Here I will try to list the issues I see with her and try to provide solutions for them without changing their functionality and identity too much.

1st issue: the damage of corruption

Warmonger 1st feat is basically equal to nuxia's 4th feat but with a small extra step, it is regarded as one of the most powerful (if not the most powerful) 1st feats in the whole game right now, and it only gets worse as warmonger unlocks her 2nd and 3rd feats.
the easy fix? just nerf the damage it deals to 3 health per tick, but buff it's duration slightly so that it isn't just ignored. Also, unlocking the 3rd feat increases the damage per tick to 4 HP.

This way the corruption will start off pretty weak in the early game, making it more on par with other heroes's tier 1 feats. but still scaling well into the late game since until tier 4 warmonger's only relevant skill is the corruption blade.

2nd issue: The minions.

As of now corruption has the ability to decimate entire minion waves in a split second, making the warmonger able to gain a lot of renown and control over dominion's mid lane or basically any objective in the breach gamemode and the only requirement is just to tag somebody with corruption. this not only is a very powerful move to gain points for the whole team but it also helps warmonger unlock even more skills that only make her deadlier and deadlier each time.

The solution is very simple here too, make it still be able to interact with the small dominion minions, but only kill them off one at a time for each tick of damage the affected target takes. This change takes away her ability to instantly turn around, capture the mid lane and farm easy renown, but this also means that sticking around minions will trigger more ticks of damage on the target.

the interactions with pikemen and captains will remain the same, as the skill will be much less harmful to them with the damage nerfs.

3rd issue: the stacking.

This issue is particularly about her 4th feat, since it's the only time she will be able to stick more than one target with corruption. The problem here seems to be that her damage potential due to the stacking of multiple corruption auras is just too high and needs to be adressed, especially when it comes to defending the commander in breach.

This issue was partially adressed with the damage nerfs to the corruption aura in issue #1 but I'd like to take this a step further and place a cap of 6 HP maximum damage for every tick of corruption damage, making it so that no matter how many corrupted allies you have by your side, you will never take more damage from it than the combined power of 2 individual corruption auras at any given time, this might seem a little low, but we have to keep in mind that this skill is damaging EVERYBODY at the same time and not just a single target, the way it is now you can deal as much as what, over 50 points of instant unavoidable damage? that is insanity.

Additional changes:

After all these changes, the damage and contesting potential of corruption would be brought down a considerable ammount, but here's a little chance we have to strengthen the warmonger's anti-gank role while also making her a stronger reference to apollyon and warmonger's ideals.

Make her elixir of corruption ability heal her for 150% of the damage dealt by corruption ticks.(not direct damage dealt by WM's attacks, only damage dealt by the corruption itself, the damage heal upon direct attacks remains the same as it is now)
to keep it from being too overpowered, only damage dealt towards players, captains and the commander counts for this heal, damage dealt to pikemen and small minions does not count.

This change would be just to help retain her anti-gank identity by switching her from instant death machine to a more balanced survival and gank deterrant playstyle. making it harder and harder to kill the more you try to gank her.

As per Apollyon's own words:

I am immortal, champion. wait and see.


Well, that would be the end of this long suggestion, thanks for reading this wall of text that will most likely not reach the devs ears and will most likely not even be acknowledged here either.

[E-nigma]

Dummy, you didn't need to make a suggestion this big to change her, they already have the reworked and "balanced" feats they need, they'll just patch it as soon as she becomes purchaseable with steel so that paying players get to enjoy their power week.

[shower speedrunner]

I think her feat shouldn't work on minion.

[Zig6000]

Originally posted by E-nigma:

Dummy, you didn't need to make a suggestion this big to change her, they already have the reworked and "balanced" feats they need, they'll just patch it as soon as she becomes purchaseable with steel so that paying players get to enjoy their power week.

Yea agreed. No need for the essay they released wormonger this way 100% intentional imo. Patch will come soon. It's just to get people to buy her. Happens pretty much every time.

[shower speedrunner]

Bold of you to think Ubi really think about balance this game.
WM will be like this for a year before her nerf.

[TwoArmedMan]

Honestly all they really need to do is just remove her tier 4 corruption, replace it with her tier 1 corruption. and then just give her something else for tier 1.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

Originally posted by Leg:

I think her feat shouldn't work on minion.

I do believe the suggestion I made makes it much more fair when it comes to minion interactions.

I mean sure it'd be easy to just remove that altogether, but why tho. She's supposed to be a vanguard, vanguards specialize on killing minions above everything else, and since she does not have acess to bodycount or any other sustain on mid it's kind of hard to think of her as a vanguard.

Originally posted by TwoArmedMan:

Honestly all they really need to do is just remove her tier 4 corruption, replace it with her tier 1 corruption. and then just give her something else for tier 1.

the thing is that it is very hard to change her unique feats without breaking her synergy, if they changed it the way you're suggesting, her 2nd and 3rd feat would be completely useless until the time she unlocks her 4th ability, which can be pretty much never considering how some matches go.

besides I do think it would be best to make corruption a different thing and not just nuxia's infection 2.0.

[shower speedrunner]

Tiandi is also a vanguard without "body count".

I don't care much about killing minion, the fact that the victim just needs to stand near the minion and he will lose HP, that is my concern.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

Originally posted by Leg:

Tiandi is also a vanguard without "body count".

I don't care much about killing minion, the fact that the victim just needs to stand near the minion and he will lose HP, that is my concern.

Certainly, but he does have other strong survivability skills and other skills that also affect minions like battlecry.

on the other hand nuxia has had infection for a very long time and it never striked me as too much of a problem.

[shower speedrunner]

Originally posted by OXygen&MANA Thief:

Originally posted by Leg:

Tiandi is also a vanguard without "body count".

I don't care much about killing minion, the fact that the victim just needs to stand near the minion and he will lose HP, that is my concern.

Certainly, but he does have other strong survivability skills and other skills that also affect minions like battlecry.

on the other hand nuxia has had infection for a very long time and it never striked me as too much of a problem.

Because Nuxia Infection is not a lvl 1 feat with 60s cooldown.