Opinion on Warmonger.

[Black Kraken]

Hello everyone, how goes things? After playing Warmonger over these coming days and fighting against her as well, it has been a short time though I've formed an opinion on the character.

She's not OP in my opinion. I actually am in favor of going the opposite opinion, she's under powered. The reason why she isn't overpowered in my view is because most of her unblockables and bashes are actually quite slow (unless you don't do the charged bash) and if you played a Tyrant's test, you should be able to counter this character quite easy. Not only are the bashes and unblockables slow, only the charged bash at the end of it has hyper armor. Most of her attacks are easily stopped because they don't have hyper armor or crushing counter.

I'm going to make another spicey opinion : Black Prior is actually a stronger character than Warmonger. Black Prior gets undodgeable second heavies, he gets three bashes (one of them is almost instant), he has his 'counter', he has a right unblockable heavy that can be fast if caught off guard and also feinted, and finally, all of his lights have crushing counter.

I really think everyone's beef with Warmonger is not because of the character, it is because she's new. We've only had her for like what, two days? Warmonger is easy to beat if you just smack her while she's charging up. I blame alot of the youtubers sitting around and reviewing the early access and being like "OH MUH GERSH SHE'S AN S TIER DUELIST!!!". Nope. The other issue is that since borderline everyone is playing as her, and then the CCU dropped, it has given the illusion that she is OP. So basically, no one at first knew how to play/counter her, and then the CCU made things worse.

A lot of people have told me (Very angerily) that I shouldin't like Warmonger because she is Warden 2.0 and that she should have been Warden's rework or that she 'reuses animations'. I disagree with both of these. Warden despite his drawbacks is still a strong character, I actually feel that if Warmonger's kit was Warden's new kit, it would destroy Warden. Not only would it not fit the aesthetic of who he is, but it would weaken Warden. Warmonger is intended to be a gank/anti gank character, Warden is a duelist. If both of the character's kit was combined, I think Warden would just be flat out OP.

The reason why I like Warmonger is because she's based on Apollyon and her aesthetics (which I'll touch on in a second), and if you remember, she WAS a Warden once if memory serves me. She also had the abilities of a Lawbringer. I've never understood why people hate on Warmonger for being 'Warden 2.0', yet Jormangunder (I know it's spelled wrong) is cent 2.0, and Black Prior is Conq 2.0, Hitokiri is almost Shugoki 2.0.

Aesthetically, Warmonger is GREAT in my view. The detail in her armor, her unique stance (looking at her nails and facing away from the camera), and just how savage she is. Instead of clean upper heavies like Warden, she savagely brings down the flamburge with one hand. That to me is awesome. As the devs said, "beautiful, but like all roses, she has thorns". A lot of her details are also based upon English lore, like the Black Swan and the Rose. It is weird hearing her speak English, but after thinking about it, it doesn't bother me because I like the English direction (the history and English mythology, not game lore). And if you get tired of hearing 'ENOUGH' and stuff, remember that it's because she's new and EVERYONE is playing her. I mean we've all heard 'MISERUM!' or 'INCREDIBILIS!' but yet I don't hear these same complaints.

Very quickly I want to touch on the reused animations, I don't buy that argument. Yes I've seen the videos, but I think she looks unique enough even if they did reuse animations to not be a problem. Overall the animations look clean, savage, and awesome to me.

Overall I think the issues of people hating on this character came from the fact that a lot of people on youtube hyped her up to be the 'OH SHE'S GOING TO BREAK THE GAME!' character before she even came out. Every time a new character comes out, it's always "OP PLZ NERF YOU BROKE FOR HONOR" (Ahem, Black Prior). Chill, wait for the characters to come out, when they do come out, fight them in training grounds, give it a few days.


Again very quickly and lastly I want to touch on the CCU. I like how clean the animations look, but I seriously think they screwed up light attacks. Even after going into training grounds, light attacks feel almost unblockable. I played against a few characters like Jang Jiun (old Chinese guy), Shaolin, Gladiator and Peacekeeper, and the light spam was BAAAAAD. Yes they ran out of stamina eventually, but they stopped me from attacking so much that by the time they ran out of stamina, I was at 1/4 health. I'm also seeing a lot of Warlords come out of the wood work, and yeeeaaaaaah...Warlord feels buffed. Light attacks have straight up become the new meta.

EDIT : Forgot to mention WM's feats, just hands down the corruption feats need a nerf. I don't have a good way of changing it, only that it needs to be toned down.

Thank you all for reading and feel free to share your thoughts, politely please.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

she does break the game. her passive presence makes mid clear too risky, and trying to take mid can actually set you back vs ignoring it

[Black Kraken]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

she does break the game. her passive presence makes mid clear too risky, and trying to take mid can actually set you back vs ignoring it

I'll agree if you're talking about having her corruption mechanic. I've seen her clear out entire points and mid by herself with the corruption if multiple people went after WM. I mean her kit without feats is not OP as people are saying.

[Mysath]

without hear feats, she's quite weak considering most of her moves can easily get stopped.

[Black Kraken]

Originally posted by Kanao:

without hear feats, she's quite weak considering most of her moves can easily get stopped.

Exactly. I can't tell how you many times a light attack slap shut me down from using her kit.

I really think they oughta give her crushing lights or heavies, it would make sense given how she fights.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Black Kraken:

Originally posted by Kanao:

without hear feats, she's quite weak considering most of her moves can easily get stopped.

Exactly. I can't tell how you many times a light attack slap shut me down from using her kit.

I really think they oughta give her crushing lights or heavies, it would make sense given how she fights.

thats the point, just be glad you were not against people that know how her kit works. you get gb punished instead. And why do you think she needs a frame advantaged bash, with enhanced lights and cc effect on them? You realize how overtuned that suggestion is right?

[Black Kraken]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Black Kraken:

Exactly. I can't tell how you many times a light attack slap shut me down from using her kit.

I really think they oughta give her crushing lights or heavies, it would make sense given how she fights.

thats the point, just be glad you were not against people that know how her kit works. you get gb punished instead. And why do you think she needs a frame advantaged bash, with enhanced lights and cc effect on them? You realize how overtuned that suggestion is right?

On the contrary, I have fought some very skilled WM's already. I'm not saying she needs frame advantaged bash, I'm just saying that's one of her main weaknesses. She already has enhanced lights does she not? She just doesn't have crushing counter. Without the bashes, my Tiandi pretty much can butcher WM.

[Mysath]

Originally posted by Black Kraken:

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

thats the point, just be glad you were not against people that know how her kit works. you get gb punished instead. And why do you think she needs a frame advantaged bash, with enhanced lights and cc effect on them? You realize how overtuned that suggestion is right?

On the contrary, I have fought some very skilled WM's already. I'm not saying she needs frame advantaged bash, I'm just saying that's one of her main weaknesses. She already has enhanced lights does she not? She just doesn't have crushing counter. Without the bashes, my Tiandi pretty much can butcher WM.

As a WM that got butchered by a level 2 Tiandi bot, I agree.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Black Kraken:

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

thats the point, just be glad you were not against people that know how her kit works. you get gb punished instead. And why do you think she needs a frame advantaged bash, with enhanced lights and cc effect on them? You realize how overtuned that suggestion is right?

On the contrary, I have fought some very skilled WM's already. I'm not saying she needs frame advantaged bash, I'm just saying that's one of her main weaknesses. She already has enhanced lights does she not? She just doesn't have crushing counter. Without the bashes, my Tiandi pretty much can butcher WM.

ah yes, the high skill of people playing the hero 3 days into release.
Variable timed feintable bashes don't need buffs. enhanced lights don't need buffs.
If her stronger moves and mixups have a weakness thats intended. we already have several issues with crushing counters, enchanced lights, ub and HA heavies getting solid benefits at no cost atm. If anything lot of these moves need reduction to their damage in order for them to be actually more balanced when they are the same speed and more damage then normal lights and heavies.

[Black Kraken]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Black Kraken:

On the contrary, I have fought some very skilled WM's already. I'm not saying she needs frame advantaged bash, I'm just saying that's one of her main weaknesses. She already has enhanced lights does she not? She just doesn't have crushing counter. Without the bashes, my Tiandi pretty much can butcher WM.

ah yes, the high skill of people playing the hero 3 days into release.
Variable timed feintable bashes don't need buffs. enhanced lights don't need buffs.
If her stronger moves and mixups have a weakness thats intended. we already have several issues with crushing counters, enchanced lights, ub and HA heavies getting solid benefits at no cost atm. If anything lot of these moves need reduction to their damage in order for them to be actually more balanced when they are the same speed and more damage then normal lights and heavies.

I already just stated that I did NOT want to buff the bashes. Crushing counter attacks like BP's and Tiandi's are balanced because it is a risk and reward. I'd settle for lessening her damage if we got CC on her attacks. Again, I am NOT wanting to buff her bashes.

[Spooky7.62]

No she is not underpower hito is underpower and poorly designed

[სულიკო]

you angry nerds with your walls of text

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Hrm:

you angry nerds with your walls of text

Dork 😜

[Sand Cat]

My issue is WM was given too much kit and broken feats.

[nugdolf]

she isn't overpowered, honestly i think she's okay BUT that chargeable and feintable bash is an overused move. another thing with warmonger is that she's clearly supposed to be stronger with everyone. i mean, she one hands a flamberge and has moves way fancier that others.i wouldn't have anything against her but she just shines too brightly

[[-Method Mad-]]

This ♥♥♥♥ is broken , her feats are overpowered and works on minions , in Breach if you fight 3 Warmong , you are dead. Nerf this and quickly.