Warden is a bit too strong

[Rikito]

Don't tell me to git gud or anything like that, but Warden needs to be nerfed a bit. Sb from a backdodge should be removed and top heavy damage should be lowered just a bit. I keep facing Wardens that are under rep 10 and display no skill but still manage to beat guys just because of how easy it is to just spam backdodge into sb and get a top heavy off of it easily, the whole sb move is a stupid guess game, it's not about reading the opponent if the chances are 50/50, you only have to guess. Higher rep Wardens are much nicer to fight against for some reason though, maybe the lower reps just play him so weirdly.

[HELLCAT]

remove back dodge shoulder bash

[Amon]

Originally posted by HELLCAT:

remove back dodge shoulder bash

[Antik]

Warden needs a proper rework again, not because he's weak, but because he's boring. I don't see how you can enjoy more than 5 reps on a character that has a moveset this limited, your choices consist of doing a SB and doing damage or not doing a SB and not doing damage.

[Amon]

Originally posted by Antik:

Warden needs a proper rework again, not because he's weak, but because he's boring. I don't see how you can enjoy more than 5 reps on a character that has a moveset this limited, your choices consist of doing a SB and doing damage or not doing a SB and not doing damage.

Making him both viable and fun is hard he is already viable XD

[Sentrodex]

get good

[Amon]

Originally posted by Sentrodex:

get good

Yes after they remove backdodge shoulderbash

[Spooky7.62]

Hes not too strong everyone else is too weak. They pick and choose which heros have good mix ups/ bashes, punishes, and feats.

warden is one of the most wellrounded heros in the game.

Just look at other vanguard most dont flow into mix ups as well, raider kinda does but thats cuz his fast asf.

Even when you look at his feats or the feats of the knights in general they are vastly superior to most of the cast.

[owais]

Oh come on, at least leave him alone. Top heavy doesn't even have a hyper armor and can be interrupted.

[Fifty Shades of Hacks]

just git gud, he isn´t OP.
He is strong when good played
but easy couterable

[Viable_Golem4375]

I agree with removing backdodge SB and some damage nerfs but the reasoning behind this is wrong, fighting games work on read based systems (except this one in many cases, because this game is designed perfectly) because when they don't we get the staring contests we had on release.

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by Amon:

Originally posted by Antik:

Warden needs a proper rework again, not because he's weak, but because he's boring. I don't see how you can enjoy more than 5 reps on a character that has a moveset this limited, your choices consist of doing a SB and doing damage or not doing a SB and not doing damage.

Making him both viable and fun is hard he is already viable XD

In a perfect world Warden receives like 4-5 more viable offensive tools and the SB receives a nerf.

[SnusHead]

Originally posted by Fifty Shades of Hacks:

just git gud, he isn´t OP.
He is strong when good played
but easy couterable

he's not easy counterable, you have a 50/50 chance whenever he channels his bash basically.

i don't want him changed tho because he's a reliable turtle breaker and i hate turtles

[Amon]

Originally posted by Fifty Shades of Hacks:

just git gud, he isn´t OP.
He is strong when good played
but easy couterable

Wrong if he was easily counterable he wouldnt be S tier and the best duelist in the game. He is not OP tho just backdodge shoulder bash makes him broken rest of him is fine

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Originally posted by Amon:

Originally posted by HELLCAT:

remove back dodge shoulder bash

[Rikito]

Originally posted by Fifty Shades of Hacks:

just git gud, he isn´t OP.
He is strong when good played
but easy couterable

No one said he's op, check the title, also he's not easily counterable.