Berserker vs Shaman

[赫菲斯托斯]

I'm looking for a fun assassin that's actually good, (sorry pk, at least you have thighs, orochi you can go jump off a cliff) and I wanted to know which of these 2 you guys have more fun with. (Also fashion, i've seen some great fashion for both)

[赫菲斯托斯]

Also, I know berserker is better. But Shaman is still one of the better heroes, good enough that I can forgive her not being top top tier like berserky boi.

[Rotiart]

Shaman by far is more fun to fight against, don't know if she's fun to play, but it sure seems like it.

[shower speedrunner]

I find Zerk fun to play. Simple, effective with little bit of mind game.
I can't get Shaman to work yet.

[Amon]

Originally posted by MrPolarBear:

Also, I know berserker is better. But Shaman is still one of the better heroes, good enough that I can forgive her not being top top tier like berserky boi.

currently Shaman is stronger. She has 400ms bleed feints which leads to bite

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Amon:

Originally posted by MrPolarBear:

Also, I know berserker is better. But Shaman is still one of the better heroes, good enough that I can forgive her not being top top tier like berserky boi.

currently Shaman is stronger. She has 400ms bleed feints which leads to bite

Would not rank Shaman as stronger than Zerker.

[Amon]

Originally posted by Rotiart:

Originally posted by Amon:

currently Shaman is stronger. She has 400ms bleed feints which leads to bite

Would not rank Shaman as stronger than Zerker.

It is a really thin line. Berserker has 400ms feints and HA. Shaman has 400ms bleed feints, a really fast bash and 50 damage bite that heals herself. Shaman's deflect allows her to access bite, Berserker's deflect grants a heavy.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Amon:

Originally posted by Rotiart:

Would not rank Shaman as stronger than Zerker.

It is a really thin line. Berserker has 400ms feints and HA. Shaman has 400ms bleed feints, a really fast bash and 50 damage bite that heals herself. Shaman's deflect allows her to access bite, Berserker's deflect grants a heavy.

I would say Zerker's deflect is markedly superior to Shaman's. Not only does it have the potential for an instant kill in regards to environmentals, but it can neither be hyperarmoured through, nor flipped by BP. And, of course, heby

[Amon]

Originally posted by Rotiart:

Originally posted by Amon:

It is a really thin line. Berserker has 400ms feints and HA. Shaman has 400ms bleed feints, a really fast bash and 50 damage bite that heals herself. Shaman's deflect allows her to access bite, Berserker's deflect grants a heavy.

I would say Zerker's deflect is markedly superior to Shaman's. Not only does it have the potential for an instant kill in regards to environmentals, but it can neither be hyperarmoured through, nor flipped by BP. And, of course, heby

Yup Berserker has one of the best deflects in the game. It can also ledge etc or be a useful tool in ganking

[shower speedrunner]

Zerk also has access to 1 of the best feat in game "bounty hunter"

[Antik]

Shaman is stronger in 1v1s and ganking than Berzerker, but i would say Berzerker is better than Shaman at anti-gank. Fashion wise it's very subjective, but i do like the fact that zerk has 2 medium size axes with really good skins for it.

[squibbles!]

I've been considering Shaman myself, but I've been on the fence about it because I already have Zerker lol. Shaman's absolutely a better ganker with her pounce, while Zerk doesn't have an unblockable outside of his light > top heavy combo. That said, I'd imagine Zerker is better at antiganks, because he's got an infinite light-heavy chain, unblockables, undodgables, and all of that with high mobility and dash attacks to zip around. In terms of the 1v1 I'd imagine they're pretty even though. Shaman has a lot more damage potential, but if you condition your enemy right, Zerker can be a lot more unpredictable.

[Paradoxicc70]

Shaman gets shut down by anyone with hyper armor in todays meta. Leaving you with three options dodge mixups, again hyper armor reactive meta shuts this down. Then she has her bleed and the bite mind game. She get's shut down with that fairly easy by average players, and this is completely nullified on warden with 2nd feat. Lastly her dodge mixup/ charge feint spam. She then becomes a slightly better shinobi with better chase potential.

Zerker is argued as one of the most OP hero's, and to an extent this is correct although once you reach players at a certain skill bracket he gets shutdown hard because his entire offense relies on feints/infinite combo's so he gets parried very very easily.

Personally because of the meta I've leaned away from zerker because it's just so damn hard to land heavies as he is a huge threat.