Option selecting should not exist.

[He_Who_Knows]

Title.

[Amon]

Why not?

[He_Who_Knows]

Have you seen a gladiator option selecting every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ combo? Not nice.

[Amon]

Originally posted by SDF Innos:

Have you seen a gladiator option selecting every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ combo? Not nice.

That is a problem with Gladiator's zone being the best zone in the game lol XD. Safe, punishing and hard to avoid.

[Viable_Golem4375]

Assuming you mean zone option selects here, all this would to is make GB feints basically unpunishable which would be a bit irritating as you'd only be able to counter things half of the time. Also:

Originally posted by SDF Innos:

Have you seen a gladiator option selecting every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ combo? Not nice.

This is a problem with Gladiator's zone specifically, this one is highly problematic.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Assuming you mean zone option selects here, all this would to is make GB feints basically unpunishable which would be a bit irritating as you'd only be able to counter things half of the time. Also:

Originally posted by SDF Innos:

Have you seen a gladiator option selecting every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ combo? Not nice.

This is a problem with Gladiator's zone specifically, this one is highly problematic.

Zones os moves don't make gb feints punishable, they encourage turtling and take away all pressure from strong offense. Offense should force reads due to commitment of defensive moves.
Pretty much all os moves are unhealthy, encourage turtling, and continue to make playing defensively low risk, high reward. Defensive play doesn't need to be rewarded beyond providing an opening to start offense, and offensive play doesn't need to be stunted by requiring reads to land any hit.

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Assuming you mean zone option selects here, all this would to is make GB feints basically unpunishable which would be a bit irritating as you'd only be able to counter things half of the time. Also:





This is a problem with Gladiator's zone specifically, this one is highly problematic.

Zones os moves don't make gb feints punishable, they encourage turtling and take away all pressure from strong offense. Offense should force reads due to commitment of defensive moves.
Pretty much all os moves are unhealthy, encourage turtling, and continue to make playing defensively low risk, high reward. Defensive play doesn't need to be rewarded beyond providing an opening to start offense, and offensive play doesn't need to be stunted by requiring reads to land any hit.

But uh, that's quite literally the point of zone option selects is to punish GB feints, you do a zone so if they try a GB feint they get hit, and whenever I fight someone using them (who isn't a Gladiator, in which case then yeah offense goes out the window) I'm still able to attack them by reading correctly.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Zones os moves don't make gb feints punishable, they encourage turtling and take away all pressure from strong offense. Offense should force reads due to commitment of defensive moves.
Pretty much all os moves are unhealthy, encourage turtling, and continue to make playing defensively low risk, high reward. Defensive play doesn't need to be rewarded beyond providing an opening to start offense, and offensive play doesn't need to be stunted by requiring reads to land any hit.

But uh, that's quite literally the point of zone option selects is to punish GB feints, you do a zone so if they try a GB feint they get hit, and whenever I fight someone using them (who isn't a Gladiator, in which case then yeah offense goes out the window) I'm still able to attack them by reading correctly.

Throwing out a os to parry or punish gb is playing defensively. You shouldn't get to "attack" for reading because thats not reading. Reading would require you to commit to avoiding the gb or parrying. What your doing with a parry os is forcing your opponent to bait the os, which requires the attacker to make a read and play less aggressively.
Reading requires you to be able to not cover all options. OS are OS's because they cover all options and remove the mixups pressure entirely.

[Amon]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

But uh, that's quite literally the point of zone option selects is to punish GB feints, you do a zone so if they try a GB feint they get hit, and whenever I fight someone using them (who isn't a Gladiator, in which case then yeah offense goes out the window) I'm still able to attack them by reading correctly.

Throwing out a os to parry or punish gb is playing defensively. You shouldn't get to "attack" for reading because thats not reading. Reading would require you to commit to avoiding the gb or parrying. What your doing with a parry os is forcing your opponent to bait the os, which requires the attacker to make a read and play less aggressively.
Reading requires you to be able to not cover all options. OS are OS's because they cover all options and remove the mixups pressure entirely.

Technically zone can be baited and punished hence why its reading lol. (Tho this punish is really really hard on Glad's zone)

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

But uh, that's quite literally the point of zone option selects is to punish GB feints, you do a zone so if they try a GB feint they get hit, and whenever I fight someone using them (who isn't a Gladiator, in which case then yeah offense goes out the window) I'm still able to attack them by reading correctly.

Throwing out a os to parry or punish gb is playing defensively. You shouldn't get to "attack" for reading because thats not reading. Reading would require you to commit to avoiding the gb or parrying. What your doing with a parry os is forcing your opponent to bait the os, which requires the attacker to make a read and play less aggressively.
Reading requires you to be able to not cover all options. OS are OS's because they cover all options and remove the mixups pressure entirely.

But it is a read, you read that the person was going to do a GB and you countered accordingly just with a zone instead of a parry or something else. And reminder if the opponent reads you correctly and just feints into nothing they can simply parry your zone and punish you for it (again, unless you're Gladiator). OSs just add another layer of read making to attacks which imo is a good thing for the game, not a bad thing.

[Lachanche]

It's not really a read, it's 2 out of 3. If he follows through with the attack you get a parry, if he feints into gb you hit him, you only lose if he feints into nothing to parry your zone.

You can punish gladiator zone with 2 reads: first you need to know he will use his zone so you dodge pre-emptively, second you need to read that he will cancel the second hit so you can gb him during his cancel.

[shower speedrunner]

>Option selecting should not exist.

Play Cent for the experience.

[Fed Groomer (Get that Glowussy)]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Throwing out a os to parry or punish gb is playing defensively. You shouldn't get to "attack" for reading because thats not reading. Reading would require you to commit to avoiding the gb or parrying. What your doing with a parry os is forcing your opponent to bait the os, which requires the attacker to make a read and play less aggressively.
Reading requires you to be able to not cover all options. OS are OS's because they cover all options and remove the mixups pressure entirely.

But it is a read, you read that the person was going to do a GB and you countered accordingly just with a zone instead of a parry or something else. And reminder if the opponent reads you correctly and just feints into nothing they can simply parry your zone and punish you for it (again, unless you're Gladiator). OSs just add another layer of read making to attacks which imo is a good thing for the game, not a bad thing.

Using an os party is a read, like blocking is a read.it isn't

[shower speedrunner]

Originally posted by Dying Alone:

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

But it is a read, you read that the person was going to do a GB and you countered accordingly just with a zone instead of a parry or something else. And reminder if the opponent reads you correctly and just feints into nothing they can simply parry your zone and punish you for it (again, unless you're Gladiator). OSs just add another layer of read making to attacks which imo is a good thing for the game, not a bad thing.

Using an os party is a read, like blocking is a read.it isn't

It is.
You would not want to use Zone OS after your opponent parried your zone 3 times.
You have to decide to use it or not.
It is a read.

[Amon]

Even when you fight a BP with a Glad it is a read lol.

[Antik]

Originally posted by Leg:

>Option selecting should not exist.

Play Cent for the experience.

Option selecting is very annoying if you don't have one yourself. "Well Ubi just needs to buff characters that don't have one!", sound good on paper, in practice you gotta wait 3 years for that to happen.