lawbringer's shove

[nugdolf]

it's immune to guardbreak, and can poise through anything that isn't a bash so as a berserker there's no way to fight lawbringers because they all spam it. by that i mean they turtle

[Amon]

Well he has no offense lol. His shove although slow has HA and can be quite good in anti bash situations. It is also very safe.

[nugdolf]

Publicado originalmente por Amon:

Well he has no offense lol. His shove although slow has HA and can be quite good in anti bash situations. It is also very safe.

exactly and it's so op

[Amon]

Publicado originalmente por nugdolf:

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Well he has no offense lol. His shove although slow has HA and can be quite good in anti bash situations. It is also very safe.

exactly and it's so op

I wouldnt call it OP but it is quite annoying to deal with

[nugdolf]

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exactly and it's so op

I wouldnt call it OP but it is quite annoying to deal with

let's say i hit the lawbringer with a light attack. now i go for a top heavy which i feint into a guardbreak and lawbringer thinks i'll commit to the heavy so he shoves to punish it and gets 15 damage and an unblockable on me eventhough he just tried to dodge the heavy

[Amon]

Publicado originalmente por nugdolf:

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I wouldnt call it OP but it is quite annoying to deal with

let's say i hit the lawbringer with a light attack. now i go for a top heavy which i feint into a guardbreak and lawbringer thinks i'll commit to the heavy so he shoves to punish it and gets 15 damage and an unblockable on me eventhough he just tried to dodge the heavy

Ye shove on red lol. Again I dont think the move is Overpowered in any way. But it surely is broken. Like why does the bash has HA to begin with?

[nugdolf]

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Publicado originalmente por nugdolf:

let's say i hit the lawbringer with a light attack. now i go for a top heavy which i feint into a guardbreak and lawbringer thinks i'll commit to the heavy so he shoves to punish it and gets 15 damage and an unblockable on me eventhough he just tried to dodge the heavy

Ye shove on red lol. Again I dont think the move is Overpowered in any way. But it surely is broken. Like why does the bash has HA to begin with?

broken means overpower to me unless broken means useless and shove is in no way useless

[Amon]

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Ye shove on red lol. Again I dont think the move is Overpowered in any way. But it surely is broken. Like why does the bash has HA to begin with?

broken means overpower to me unless broken means useless and shove is in no way useless

Well overpowered means too strong that cant be dealt with. And no hero in FH has something like that currently. The most broken thing in the game (in my humble opinion) remains as Warden's backdodge Shoulderbash since no hero in the game other than Hitokiri can punish the move.

[Viable_Golem4375]

How to counter LB shoves in 2 easy steps:

1. You see orange.

2. Dodge.

This entire "shove on red" thing annoys me so much, it's like LB has so many actual issues but no, everyone focuses on a problem that is literally nonexistent.

[Amon]

Publicado originalmente por Viable_Golem4375:

How to counter LB shoves in 2 easy steps:

1. You see orange.

2. Dodge.

This entire "shove on red" thing annoys me so much, it's like LB has so many actual issues but no, everyone focuses on a problem that is literally nonexistent.

The issue is not dodging Matt its punishing lol. Dodge is easy

[Viable_Golem4375]

Publicado originalmente por Amon:

Publicado originalmente por Viable_Golem4375:

How to counter LB shoves in 2 easy steps:

1. You see orange.

2. Dodge.

This entire "shove on red" thing annoys me so much, it's like LB has so many actual issues but no, everyone focuses on a problem that is literally nonexistent.

The issue is not dodging Matt its punishing lol. Dodge is easy

It can be punished by prediction dodges if you want to go that route, or you can still dodge on reaction if you have a fast dodge attack such as Conq's or Zhanhu's. And tbh this makes some amount of sense to me since it's a 700ms dodge attack that only deals 15 damage.

[Amon]

Publicado originalmente por Viable_Golem4375:

Publicado originalmente por Amon:

The issue is not dodging Matt its punishing lol. Dodge is easy

It can be punished by prediction dodges if you want to go that route, or you can still dodge on reaction if you have a fast dodge attack such as Conq's or Zhanhu's. And tbh this makes some amount of sense to me since it's a 700ms dodge attack that only deals 15 damage.

Isnt it recovery faster than BP's?

[Viable_Golem4375]

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It can be punished by prediction dodges if you want to go that route, or you can still dodge on reaction if you have a fast dodge attack such as Conq's or Zhanhu's. And tbh this makes some amount of sense to me since it's a 700ms dodge attack that only deals 15 damage.

Isnt it recovery faster than BP's?

By 100ms yes so if you don't have a dodge attack it can be quite hard to punish it, although this is part of the reason I believe every hero should have a dodge attack of some kind.

[Amon]

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Isnt it recovery faster than BP's?

By 100ms yes so if you don't have a dodge attack it can be quite hard to punish it, although this is part of the reason I believe every hero should have a dodge attack of some kind.

agreed

[nugdolf]

Publicado originalmente por Viable_Golem4375:

Publicado originalmente por Amon:

Isnt it recovery faster than BP's?

By 100ms yes so if you don't have a dodge attack it can be quite hard to punish it, although this is part of the reason I believe every hero should have a dodge attack of some kind.

but let's be honest nüxia's dodge attack is useless

[Viable_Golem4375]

One thing I did forget to mention as far as advice is that afaik the shove has a very long block recovery, so this is why some dodge attacks can be quite strong vs it.