Black prior's shield bash spam

[hislefttesticle]

Were the devs filled with so much cocaine up their asses that they didnt realize that people would spam the holy $HIT out of this move.
Cuz 20 damage out of an almost unpunishable move doesnt seem right.
Besides the atrocious shield bash, black prior is completely fine

[Spicy]

Originally posted by porkwhitemeat:

Originally posted by hislefttesticle:

As you can see, his recovery time is nonsensical, even if you dodge you cant punish with a gb.
I main the valk and even though I dodge that stupid shield bash and throw him a dash side attack, BP will have enough time to recover and block it.

Yup he needs an 800ms recovery time for missed bash and his light bash light combo needs to be around 15 dmg or less for his first light and 10-12 dmg for his second light.

My bad I was unaware about the oos issue with bp shiled spam up until now.

[Only_war]

wow i thought shield bash was guaranteed after a light
only punishable if you have a hit with the dodge i guess

[Lordenheim]

big fan of the 4 prior enemy team composition with bash spam

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by hislefttesticle:

Originally posted by Spicy Milkshake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldXoFyFTm8o

As you can see, his recovery time is nonsensical, even if you dodge you cant punish with a gb.
I main the valk and even though I dodge that stupid shield bash and throw him a dash side attack, BP will have enough time to recover and block it.

Yep, this is the biggest problem with his bash. Can't really punish it, and what I see almost every BP loves to do is spam bash over and over again until eventually they hit it. You'll make a mistake sooner or later, and BP has the advantage because the bash is extremely safe. He can whittle down your health with the bash or, God forbid you get OOS, you're pretty much doomed.

[hislefttesticle]

Originally posted by Schwartzenangry:

wow i thought shield bash was guaranteed after a light
only punishable if you have a hit with the dodge i guess

not even that works

[Tizzboi~]

BP is near unkillable for LB mains. Not only is his recovery so fast he can dodge a top light after being parried, he can shield toss stance before the LB's light top hits... Thats UBSURD!
It's hard enough being bottom tier character, now we get this madness where our shoves after block gets us shield tossed and oos from one hit by BP's.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Originally posted by Torch_Beast:

BP is near unkillable for LB mains.

Anyone is unkillable for LB mains.

Lawbringer is the worst character in the entire game when it comes to opening, literally anyone has an easy time turtling against him.

Originally posted by Torch_Beast:

Not only is his recovery so fast he can dodge a top light after being parried

When playing as Lawbringer, you aren't supposed to wait for a top light after parrying someone, you are supposed to do the riposte.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Black Prior.

[mike hawk]

Originally posted by Spartacus:

Originally posted by Captain Weegee:

Im getting sick of this light-bash-light combo. Its costs him almos no stamina and does extremly damage.
Once you are OOS your dead

Wrong. You're thinking of Conqueror.

Dodge his shield bash. You can do it on reaction. The only problem people are having with it, is that its not punishable by most characters.

Also cost him no stamina? What're you on.

His shield bash cost more than Conqueror's. 15 stamina per bash+ 6 stamina on light.

But if you're oos block the first light and that increases stamina drain from 6 to 15. So that's 36 stamina for 20 damage. That's 1/4th of his stamina. Yes his oos pressure is "broken" and is getting fixed so you won't have to worry about that soon.

Also if he misses that bash its 27 stamina lost instead of 15.

The problem isn't with his bash speed or damage output. Its the fact that it isn't punishable on reaction, only on prediction.

I believe Vortiger is balanced. Just make it punishable on reaction and take away that oos pressure and he's perfect. (Because unlike Conqueror he can't side bash and his bash doesn't have tracking even when you delay it)

that feeling when you love vortiger so much you just gotta protect him
(i know i did the same with warden)

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Lv.10 Crook:

Originally posted by Spartacus:

Wrong. You're thinking of Conqueror.

Dodge his shield bash. You can do it on reaction. The only problem people are having with it, is that its not punishable by most characters.

Also cost him no stamina? What're you on.

His shield bash cost more than Conqueror's. 15 stamina per bash+ 6 stamina on light.

But if you're oos block the first light and that increases stamina drain from 6 to 15. So that's 36 stamina for 20 damage. That's 1/4th of his stamina. Yes his oos pressure is "broken" and is getting fixed so you won't have to worry about that soon.

Also if he misses that bash its 27 stamina lost instead of 15.

The problem isn't with his bash speed or damage output. Its the fact that it isn't punishable on reaction, only on prediction.

I believe Vortiger is balanced. Just make it punishable on reaction and take away that oos pressure and he's perfect. (Because unlike Conqueror he can't side bash and his bash doesn't have tracking even when you delay it)

that feeling when you love vortiger so much you just gotta protect him
(i know i did the same with warden)

What about what i said was trying to protect the character? I spoke facts about what makes his bash balanced and agreed he needs to be punishable if his bash misses and that his oos pressure being broken and it getting fixed.

[mike hawk]

They weren´t sure the core worked , so they had to add something that was guaranteed to work just in case .

[Emjay]

Originally posted by Antik:

Originally posted by The Superperforator:

Nah, they wanna filter out bad players and make them stop playing the game.

Even if you're good 35 damage lights is nothing to laugh at.

Specially when you put a shield bash in the middle of two lights which can be spammed over and over and there's little you can do to defend it. If you try and go offensive you get flipped. If you manage to land a hit you get to see the tiny size of damage done and it crushes your soul knowing he only needs to land 3 shield bash spams to kill you yet you need to land closer to 20 hits to kill him.

He's ridiculously overpowered at the moment, to the point that he's by far been the worst hero implemented.

They really need to focus on the quality of their work because releasing buggy messes like black prior is exactly why people call this game p2w and it's difficult to defend that claim...

[Corman]

Originally posted by Spartacus:

Originally posted by Captain Weegee:

Im getting sick of this light-bash-light combo. Its costs him almos no stamina and does extremly damage.
Once you are OOS your dead

Wrong. You're thinking of Conqueror.

Dodge his shield bash. You can do it on reaction. The only problem people are having with it, is that its not punishable by most characters.

Also cost him no stamina? What're you on.

His shield bash cost more than Conqueror's. 15 stamina per bash+ 6 stamina on light.

But if you're oos block the first light and that increases stamina drain from 6 to 15. So that's 36 stamina for 20 damage. That's 1/4th of his stamina. Yes his oos pressure is "broken" and is getting fixed so you won't have to worry about that soon.

Also if he misses that bash its 27 stamina lost instead of 15.

The problem isn't with his bash speed or damage output. Its the fact that it isn't punishable on reaction, only on prediction.

I believe Vortiger is balanced. Just make it punishable on reaction and take away that oos pressure and he's perfect. (Because unlike Conqueror he can't side bash and his bash doesn't have tracking even when you delay it)

So you acknowledge that it's unpunishable but then go onto call them balanced and try to defend the move. If it's an unpunishable move that does 20 damage, what exactly stops me from spamming it?

The issue with Conq is the same, I've dodged his shield bash multiple times -- the issue is you cannot punish it without a dodge attack, it's not the speed nor stamina cost of it.

So no, he's not balanced. He either has an unpunishable move that nets him 20 damage or he's balanced, you can't have both.

This is like acknowledging that Gladiator has a broken zone (and take notice that I say this as a Gladiator main) and Warden has backstep into shoulder bash -- both of which you cannot punish --, acknowledging that if a player wants to be scummy they can solely use these moves and that there's very little you can do against it, and then somehow saying this is balanced.

Listen to what you're saying, please.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Yeti:

Originally posted by Spartacus:

Wrong. You're thinking of Conqueror.

Dodge his shield bash. You can do it on reaction. The only problem people are having with it, is that its not punishable by most characters.

Also cost him no stamina? What're you on.

His shield bash cost more than Conqueror's. 15 stamina per bash+ 6 stamina on light.

But if you're oos block the first light and that increases stamina drain from 6 to 15. So that's 36 stamina for 20 damage. That's 1/4th of his stamina. Yes his oos pressure is "broken" and is getting fixed so you won't have to worry about that soon.

Also if he misses that bash its 27 stamina lost instead of 15.

The problem isn't with his bash speed or damage output. Its the fact that it isn't punishable on reaction, only on prediction.

I believe Vortiger is balanced. Just make it punishable on reaction and take away that oos pressure and he's perfect. (Because unlike Conqueror he can't side bash and his bash doesn't have tracking even when you delay it)

So you acknowledge that it's unpunishable but then go onto call them balanced and try to defend the move. If it's an unpunishable move that does 20 damage, what exactly stops me from spamming it?

The issue with Conq is the same, I've dodged his shield bash multiple times -- the issue is you cannot punish it without a dodge attack, it's not the speed nor stamina cost of it.

So no, he's not balanced. He either has an unpunishable move that nets him 20 damage or he's balanced, you can't have both.

This is like acknowledging that Gladiator has a broken zone (and take notice that I say this as a Gladiator main) and Warden has backstep into shoulder bash -- both of which you cannot punish --, acknowledging that if a player wants to be scummy they can solely use these moves and that there's very little you can do against it, and then somehow saying this is balanced.

Listen to what you're saying, please.

I should correct what i meant then. Sorry.

After they make it punishable on reaction and fix the oos pressure he'll be balanced.

Right now he's very close to being balanced. Just has 2 things that need to be fixed.

[★Jaw★]

As a BP almost everyone dodges my shield bash, so...maybe stop complaining about it being broken and learn to dodge and counter attack.

It doesn't have good tracking, if at all, so...yea.

[hislefttesticle]

Originally posted by George Costanza:

As a BP almost everyone dodges my shield bash, so...maybe stop complaining about it being broken and learn to dodge and counter attack.

It doesn't have good tracking, if at all, so...yea.

I knew it wouldnt take long for a guy like you to show up. Dont try to change the topic of disscusion here. We are not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that dont know what dodging is.
The fact is that the shield bash is an easily spammable move that does ridiculous damage if landed and has little to know way of being punished if dodged. Dont try to convince us that you can give BP a free gb after dodging because we know that is not possible. If you do recieve a gb as a BP then you are just bad the game and dont know how to counter a gb.
As for other types of counter attacks like throwing a hit with a side dash, I hereby provide you with the following link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/anyuwz/vortiger_is_not_balanced/

In regards to the video, I should point out that the raider is able to land a gb for the simple reason that he has a quick recovery time after after dodging which enables him to land gb faster than the rest of the characters (just in case your noob a$$ didnt know that).

My advice to you, scrub, would be to STFU.