People who won't play brawl as 2v2

[Avenger1_]

Many times I play brawl and attempt to assist my teammate but they just back off instead of helping or actually let the enemy 2v1 me. Why do people insist on making brawl 2 1v1s? There is a mode called duel for a reason...

[giddy up]

its a cancerous move to go 2v1 on someone

[Avenger1_]

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its a cancerous move to go 2v1 on someone

The mode is 2v2. Not 1v1. What exactly is cancerous about playing the game the way it is intended? What exactly is wrong with that? They are at a disadvantage 2v1 but that is part of the game, they should not have allowed their teammate to die.

[giddy up]

dont you start facing a specific person in brawls?

[MadMek]

Because most people find fighting two duels back to back more fun than mindlessly ganking. It's just more interesting when you play honorably, simple as that. Ganking makes the match over sooner, and causes a team that's already winning to just win more. There is no actual teamplay or "not letting your teammate die." All ganking does is ensure that the team that kills someone first is virtually certain to win.

Taking the honorable approach, on the other hand, involves actual skill and strategy. Getting executions off or killing your opponent is rewarded, and every player gets an actual chance to fight, rather than the player that's slightly slower at killing their opponent getting robbed of their chance to actually play the game and instead just gets into a mindless gank, and a player who's teammate died getting robbed of a fair fight and instead just getting repeatedly ganked by people they could easily beat 1v1.

[Avenger1_]

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dont you start facing a specific person in brawls?

Yes you do but that does not suggest you have to fight them 1v1. Think of it this way. If the devs intended brawl to be 2 1v1s then why do you have the option to assist your teammate? It was clearly intended to be a 2v2. And then you have the connotations of the word "brawl" itself. It suggests a chaotic battle with no clear rules.

[giddy up]

its just a community thing thats about it

[Avenger1_]

Publicado originalmente por MadMek:

Because most people find fighting two duels back to back more fun than mindlessly ganking. It's just more interesting when you play honorably, simple as that. Ganking makes the match over sooner, and causes a team that's already winning to just win more. There is no actual teamplay or "not letting your teammate die." All ganking does is ensure that the team that kills someone first is virtually certain to win.

Taking the honorable approach, on the other hand, involves actual skill and strategy. Getting executions off or killing your opponent is rewarded, and every player gets an actual chance to fight, rather than the player that's slightly slower at killing their opponent getting robbed of their chance to actually play the game and instead just gets into a mindless gank, and a player who's teammate died getting robbed of a fair fight and instead just getting repeatedly ganked by people they could easily beat 1v1.

You know that the revenge system is in place to help players on the receiving end of a 2v1 right? There is actually a lot of strategy involved in brawl. Define honor in this situation. Is it honourable to allow your teammate to be killed in a fight he could have no chance of actually winning? There is a reason why tierlists are different for brawl and duel, because teamplay and hero synergy is important.

[Pattrone]

I find it a lot more fun if me and my mate would go back to back fighting in a proper 2v2 helping eachother out target switching and stuff, it then looks and plays like a proper 2v2 and we always warn the enemy saying "We are about to play this game mode as intended, as a 2v2" and once they get what we are doing they have a ♥♥♥♥ ton of fun themselves because there is a lot of action happening and it gets more tense. I myself hate the fact the community decided to do 2x1v1, it's so boring compared to what we do. I dont mean killing your opponent quick and run to your mate to gank and finish another one off, I mean actually meeting up all 4 of us at the start of a round and play in an intense battle between 2 teams trust me guys try that.

[MadMek]

Revenge mode isn't very good, in a gank it's easy for heros like shugoki or raider to hold you in place while revenge mode runs out.

And honor in this case is about sportsmanship. It's about giving EVERYONE, your enemies or your teammates, a chance to test their skills and have fun. If I'm having an epic, evenly matched duel with an opponent, and then my team mate charges in from offscreen with a demon's embrace, I'm not getting to fight. They're robbing me and my opponent alike of our chance to have fun.

[Avenger1_]

Publicado originalmente por MadMek:

Revenge mode isn't very good, in a gank it's easy for heros like shugoki or raider to hold you in place while revenge mode runs out.

And honor in this case is about sportsmanship. It's about giving EVERYONE, your enemies or your teammates, a chance to test their skills and have fun. If I'm having an epic, evenly matched duel with an opponent, and then my team mate charges in from offscreen with a demon's embrace, I'm not getting to fight. They're robbing me and my opponent alike of our chance to have fun.

Is it sportsmanlike or honourable to duel a wounded enemy? If brawl is treated as 2 duels then there will most likely be a fight between a wounded player and a player who was not so badly wounded or survived his fight unscathed. How is it an evenly matched experience then?

YOU may find it fun to treat it as a duel but other people want to play it as 2v2 as they find it more fun that way. Why does sportsmanship matter in any mode other than duel? These are all merely artifical rules followed by some members of the community. Raider and Shugoki aren't considered good or even decent in brawl either. As I have stated before, if you want to 1v1 then play duel. Brawl is separate from duel for a reason, because the focus is supposed to be on teamplay rather than one persons individual skill. It doesn't matter if the person feels cheated because they could win against their opponents in a 1v1.

[Schrader]

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its a cancerous move to go 2v1 on someone

The only people that think it's "cancerous" to gank someone are the people that aren't good enough to survive one.

Git gud please.

[MadMek]

A wounded enemy would be less wounded if they had executed their opponent, or just gotten hit less. Their performance in the first fight is affecting how they start off the second fight. It's still their skill that's giving them an advantage or a disadvantage.

Sportsmanship always matters, because some people happen to like it when everyone, and not just themselves, gets a chance to have fun. Once again, if you butt in on someone's duel, you are denying both your teammate and enemy the chance to have fun. And what teamplay? There's no teamplay in brawl. You start out facing an opponent and you fight them. The only time that "teamwork" comes into play is when ganking, which requires no skill whatsoever. Top attack/bash repeatedly = win.

[giddy up]

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its a cancerous move to go 2v1 on someone

The only people that think it's "cancerous" to gank someone are the people that aren't good enough to survive one.

Git gud please.

i know how to counter other people trying to attack me from another side, its just not cool

[Avenger1_]

Publicado originalmente por MadMek:

A wounded enemy would be less wounded if they had executed their opponent, or just gotten hit less. Their performance in the first fight is affecting how they start off the second fight. It's still their skill that's giving them an advantage or a disadvantage.

Sportsmanship always matters, because some people happen to like it when everyone, and not just themselves, gets a chance to have fun. Once again, if you butt in on someone's duel, you are denying both your teammate and enemy the chance to have fun. And what teamplay? There's no teamplay in brawl. You start out facing an opponent and you fight them. The only time that "teamwork" comes into play is when ganking, which requires no skill whatsoever. Top attack/bash repeatedly = win.

What if your teammate also wants to 2v2? Then you are not butting in on their duel because there is no duel. Have you ever considered the fact that some people actually do find it fun to 2v2 rather than treat it as duel?

What about maps where you start close to your teammate? Where you can easily team up with them from the beginning. Do you think there is no strategy then? What if both teams do this and then they fight each other as a team? Rather than as individuals? On every map in brawl there is enough time to come to your teammates aid from the beginning before the enemies can attack you.

You are ignorant of the depth of this game if you see ganking as a mindless affair and your view that 2v2 has no strategy.

[MadMek]

If your teammate and your opponent both want to allow ganking, that go ahead, play it your way. But don't go around expecting everyone to give up the pretty much universally agreed upon rule that you don't gank in brawl just because you think that ganking is the "right" way to play it.