How do you fight Shaolin with HL?

[HoneyBadger]

Idk the way I see it if I'm dueling a good shaolin there isn't a whole lot I can do. Now keep in mind I'm a HL main, so I have a lot of options but with shaolin, his dodge attacks are too quick for any of my OS mixups, heavy kick heavy, heavy grab, kick grab, and so on. So with OS disabled basically by a good shaolin I'm left with using regular chains unless I get a light parry or they run out of stamina. Then there is the fact that their dodge attacks also can screw me over in defensive stance. They can dodge attack on my light which will stop the trade on my hyper armor heavies. Shaolin is also hard to read, he has so many options after going through his chains in his stance. So turtling for parries is just going to waste your health. His kit alone breaks HL without taking into consideration any deflects, parries, or dodges in a duel with a good shaolin player can do. My dilema is how do you fight shaolin with HL? To me he's an even bigger counter than kensei and JJ (keep in mind JJ can dodge crushing counters with his c stance)

[Sujak]

play shaolin

[Stret]

Dodge his attacks. kick

QI stance? Perhaps kick into caber or just kick. The undodgeable from QI stance is not actually a dodge attack and it has no i - frames

Turtle around in DS

parry 500ms lights, fast flow into OS, unblockable heavy

Backstep light against any heavies to crushing counter + free pass into OS

[Sujak]

引用自 Stret1311：

Dodge his attacks. kick

QI stance? Perhaps kick into caber or just kick. The undodgeable from QI stance is not actually a dodge attack and it has no i - frames

Turtle around in DS

parry 500ms lights, fast flow into OS, unblockable heavy

Backstep light against any heavies to crushing counter + free pass into OS

can't dodge his undodgeable attacks and he can feint those

[Antik]

Block top, throw a lot of top back lights and hope you superior block them, mix them up with heavies if Shaolin tries to deflect. Superior block side dodge attacks after baiting.

[HoneyBadger]

引用自 Stret1311：

Dodge his attacks. kick

QI stance? Perhaps kick into caber or just kick. The undodgeable from QI stance is not actually a dodge attack and it has no i - frames

Turtle around in DS

parry 500ms lights, fast flow into OS, unblockable heavy

Backstep light against any heavies to crushing counter + free pass into OS

he can avoid the kick even if I dodge unless he decided to randomly throw a heavy

Qi stance kicking him is risky his dodge attack not only does more dmg then but can easily avoid the kick, also the kick grab mixup takes too long in that case he'll react and you'll take the dmg.

Turtling keeps you guessing you're wasting health against shaolin but it's basically all I'm left with. I've just been turtling for parries. Usually wont win you a game tho.

I guess he just is still new to me because those lights don't feel anything like 500ms but Yes you can get the os heavy there but so far that's been my only dmg other than if the shaolin gets oos. But just plain out his kit counters mine.

[HoneyBadger]

引用自 Antik：

Block top, throw a lot of top back lights and hope you superior block them, mix them up with heavies if Shaolin tries to deflect. Superior block side dodge attacks after baiting.

back lights occasionally work, it's risky though because HL lights aren't too hard to parry.

[76561198048978863]

There is not much you can do. Shaolin is the strongest hero against Highlander (not saying he is OP. Shaolin just counters HL better than anyone).

If you attack with kick or grab, Shaolin can side dash attack to counter them (even when you use them after dodging his top light), or use his longe range 400 ms top light (even when you feint). The kick and grab are useless against him. Do not use them.

Your only OS attacks should be OS heavies and OS lights. You can: feint the OS heavies into OS side lights, or hard feint them to bait a parry/crushing counter, or hard feint into GB/heavy(trade with hyperarmor), or let it go.

If you can dodge with OS, the only attack you can hit is OS side lights.

If the Shaolin keeps moving forward to keep you in DS, do not use a backstep light. First, GB him. As soon as he conter GBs, backstep top light to get into OS.

[HoneyBadger]

引用自 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)：

There is not much you can do. Shaolin is the strongest hero against Highlander (not saying he is OP. Shaolin just counters HL better than anyone).

If you attack with kick or grab, Shaolin can side dash attack to counter them (even when you use them after dodging his top light), or use his longe range 400 ms top light (even when you feint). The kick and grab are useless against him. Do not use them.

Your only OS attacks should be OS heavies and OS lights. You can: feint the OS heavies into OS side lights, or hard feint them to bait a parry/crushing counter, or hard feint into GB/heavy(trade with hyperarmor), or let it go.

If you can dodge with OS, the only attack you can hit is OS side lights.

If the Shaolin keeps moving forward to keep you in DS, do not use a backstep light. First, GB him. As soon as he conter GBs, backstep top light to get into OS.

Yeah basically I'm only able to win duels if I can trip him up or confuse him. Plain kit to kit I'll lose because of that, just left with OS lights and parries.

[HoneyBadger]

The way I see it the answer is to buff HL lol

[Crow]

you dont. you just die. :(

[Yankee with no Brim]

引用自 Off Glokk'：

The way I see it the answer is to buff HL lol

Well, not BUFF per say, but rework him for sure, he's too match-up based.

[Stret]

引用自 SHE TOOK THE KIDS：

引用自 Off Glokk'：

The way I see it the answer is to buff HL lol

Well, not BUFF per say, but rework him for sure, he's too match-up based.

Nah. He is a great turtle against everything with backstep lights and 400ms dodge recovery. OS has a huge damage > effort ratio

[Yankee with no Brim]

引用自 Stret1311：

引用自 SHE TOOK THE KIDS：

Well, not BUFF per say, but rework him for sure, he's too match-up based.

Nah. He is a great turtle against everything with backstep lights and 400ms dodge recovery. OS has a huge damage > effort ratio

Well I do main him at a high level and you are ABSOLUTELY right, the dodge into kick damage is ♥♥♥♥♥♥' nuts. But dare to look at it this way, I think he's only good BECAUSE he can turtle, not because he can crack turtles, which is the direction the devs want to go. I ain't saying to take away the two stance, or to remove the insane dodges, but I think a good rework would make him more fun to play against and more fun than he already is. I know a LOT of people hate Highlander, and I think Tiandi destroys Highlander, by making him more mix-up based I think we could have a very good hero that doesn't get destoryed by option selects.

[Buzzy]

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[HoneyBadger]

引用自 SHE TOOK THE KIDS：

引用自 Stret1311：

Nah. He is a great turtle against everything with backstep lights and 400ms dodge recovery. OS has a huge damage > effort ratio

Well I do main him at a high level and you are ABSOLUTELY right, the dodge into kick damage is ♥♥♥♥♥♥' nuts. But dare to look at it this way, I think he's only good BECAUSE he can turtle, not because he can crack turtles, which is the direction the devs want to go. I ain't saying to take away the two stance, or to remove the insane dodges, but I think a good rework would make him more fun to play against and more fun than he already is. I know a LOT of people hate Highlander, and I think Tiandi destroys Highlander, by making him more mix-up based I think we could have a very good hero that doesn't get destoryed by option selects.

Still he has what 700ms lights. I think just a tad buff on his openers I know to combat these new types of heroes Ubisoft is making he'll need a rework on his mixups to stay viable but I'm scared of ubi changing my main because HL is still in a relatively balanced spot