Breach needs more objectives....Ballista Ram Damage

[Bubba Kitty]

There needs to be more objectives within the current maps.
Right now, winning = singular objective organized gank squads. That's it. If there were more objectives to do and protect, it should spread the players out more.

Suggestion #1:
Ballista Damage. Right now the Ballista is mostly ignored by both sides. It doesn't damage the ram as far as I can tell, and is only used rarely to snipe heros.
The ballista should properly damage the ram. That way, it becomes another point of contention.

Any other ideas?

[EDERA]

I disagree, breach is pretty excellent as far as I can tell. You make a good point: I have seen many games where teams just rush archer points all together and just battle it out, but this is easy to counter. All you have to do is be the one guy that breaks away from the group. Think tactically: If all your teammates are rushing the archer point, two things are likely to happen.

1- The enemy meets them there and its a brawl or
2- The enemy does not and that's an archer point conquered/defended.

If you break away from your team while they are ganking/grouping, this gives you a chance to score other objectives like clearing the ram or getting the shield banner. If you break away from your team and you get ganked, understand that this also has value: every enemy ganking you is one less enemy interfering with the rest of your team, leaving them free to score objectives.

In breach, if I see all my teammates moving towards an objective, I always break away and do something else. This forces the enemy to break up to, because otherwise you have free reign to dominate. Likewise, if I see two teammates ganking an enemy, I never wade in. It's a 2v1, no sense in turning it into a 3v1, your time is better spent going for other objectives.

[Bubba Kitty]

I respectfully disagree. The more objectives the better. Gutta spread every one out. If the Balista can damage the ram, then the offence could get another objective oppertunity. Interesting to figure out what that should be.
Right now, the whole thing is thin.

Wins should be by good tactics and trickery, not brute force gank squads.

[EDERA]

Originally posted by the ancient one:

I respectfully disagree. The more objectives the better. Gutta spread every one out. If the Balista can damage the ram, then the offence could get another objective oppertunity. Interesting to figure out what that should be.
Right now, the whole thing is thin.

Wins should be by good tactics and trickery, not brute force gank squads.

That is what I was trying to explain. It is already about tactics and trickery, it's just that people get sucked into the ganks instead of seeing them as opportunities.

[shower speedrunner]

Balista is good tho. One shot pikeman with no risk, and when Attack has no pikeman, Defend pikeman will process to poke the ram.
Also snipe Heroes is a bonus.

[Doc]

Originally posted by the ancient one:

I respectfully disagree. The more objectives the better. Gutta spread every one out. If the Balista can damage the ram, then the offence could get another objective oppertunity. Interesting to figure out what that should be.
Right now, the whole thing is thin.

Wins should be by good tactics and trickery, not brute force gank squads.

why do we have to spread everyone out?

Working as a team is a good tactic, ganking is a good tactic, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be.

Teams that resist working together are teams that lose.

Sounds like you want more 1v1s in Breach mode...

Ballistas are strong as they are now. Currently you can drop a commander in no time if someone is using the ballista. Its great for clearing minions and slowing the Ram, killing heros.

[There'sNoStringOnMe]

Wait, last time I played Breach, ballistae DO deal damage the ram. Lots of it. What are you guys talking about? Is it something that's patched recently? Because there was 1 Breach game I played using Law and I had to stick to ballista to damage the ram instead of sticking to it using Inspire like I always did with Kensei.

[EDERA]

I feel like you have been having a bad time playing breach and this is a pity, because I think it's a really great mode. I wanted to make a lot of points to help you out, but actually this guy has made a video on how to win breach, one video is for an attackers strat and the other is for the defenders strat, I suggest you watch both, they are pretty on point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkyzP__ZIeE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCtmOUG64WU

[Antik]

I find the balista to be fine, hard to use but in theory no matter how outnumbered you are if you have a good teammate on balista you can win any fight within balista LOS. I think they should rebalance the position of certain objectives like heal points, especially on knight map.

Guardian has to be reworked because the payoff isn't worth the time you're gonna be spending trying to kill him, not to mention the risk of getting the buff stolen by a last hit.

Imo they should make a KOTH style objective unlock when guardian is killed and the team that dealt the most damage to guardian will have to stay on the objective uncontested for 5s to get a global team buff. If they don't claim it within 60s then objective disappears and nobody gets the buff.

Also remove bombs from guardian so that the time to kill is reduced.