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Puppet Pal Clem Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:12pm
Warden vs Lawbringer: Real Life
Who would win
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Originally posted by Emperor Fooble:
Given the physical strength of a knight, and the way that Japanese armour was created and the materials used, he wouldn't even need his weapon.
With an armoured gauntlet he could punch (and indeed they did) a man to death. A single hit, even through padding would be enough to crack ribs, cause major concussions and disable limbs.

Most fighting ends up in some form of grappling. Can you imagine someone of Japanese stature trying to wrestle against a man almost a foot taller, 40kg's heavier, and wearing 40-60kgs of metal, leather and cloth armour who has trained his entire life – from the moment he is able to walk – in grappling, weapons, and all aspects of warfare, and whose family had the resources to give him the very best start in life. Proper nutrition, training, best access to contemporary medicines and unlimited access to both written texts and verbal tips from combat veterans.

His armour that makes him almost impervious to unarmed strikes, can also be used as a weapon to strike, punch, kick, shoulder and simply overpower and opponent who has no such advantage.
And again, he has trained his entire life to wear, move and fight wearing his armour. His stamina and strength would be legendary, the very apex of human conditioning.

Even in wars between European nations, weapons like military picks and hammers became mainstream because bladed weapons were useless.

I mean no disrespect to the ancient Japanese warriors – they were a potent fighting force, and the best their people had. But they fought in a completely different time period, and in a vacuum that pitted them only against each other (until colonial powers with gunpowder arrived).

A fight between the armies of feudal Japan, and medieval Europe would be like sending 21st century US marines against the Confederates at the battle of Gettysburg. The technology and training difference would be too decisive.

Knights formed the pinnacle of mankinds warrior society.
I maintain that no fighting force has ever matched them, even until this day. The lifelong training from birth, access to equipment improved over hundreds of years and the resources of both their families and that of their kingdom/country that was spent on them.
They dominated every battlefield, anywhere in the world that they fought, regardless of enemy, climate or terrain.
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00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10 Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:19pm 
Lawbringer has better armor, a better weapon, and possibly better training.

So I'd say Lawbringer.
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artimits Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:26pm 
warden miserus him out of existence
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DirtyDog Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:30pm 
There's been a short documentary type thing on youtube by actual experts on medieval history (which anyone at ubisoft hasn't a clue in the world about)

And the Lawbringer was proclaimed the easy winner. A man of that size and strength who can wield a Pole axe and carry full plate armour that reinforced would be like the mountain from game of thrones.

They didn't even go into any detail about the samurai or vikings. Knights would simply slaughter them all.

But this is a video game so go into a game and find out. These days it's warden beats everyone.
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AngelEyes Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:33pm 
LawBringer......

A sword would never cut through plate armor. His only chance would be by half-swording and/or wreslting.
Last edited by AngelEyes; Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:35pm
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Transcendent Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:36pm 
Lawbringer's armour is 2 centuries more advanced than any other Knight's armour, that and the fact that they wear chain mail under the plate so their armour is basically impenetrable by any weapon of that era.

Warden carries a Longsword, which wouldn't be able to penetrate the plate, let alone the mail, and even if he tried to half-sword to get some blunt hits in the Lawbringer's tall as ♥♥♥♥ so the only thing the Warden would realistically be able to reach is his chest, which doesn't matter too much since it's surrounded by plate and mail. And also a pole axe.

That, and the fact that he is basically the police of For Honor so he would be the best trained out of all of them, would make him the easy winner.

So basically, Daubeny had it right all along. It wouldn't be a trial, it would be an execution.
Last edited by Transcendent; Aug 21, 2018 @ 6:37pm
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Schrader Aug 21, 2018 @ 7:22pm 
Lawbringer would murder everyone in real life. Warden, Conqueror, Warlord and Valkyrie would most likely be the top 5.
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Transcendent Aug 21, 2018 @ 7:45pm 
Originally posted by God Himself:
Lawbringer would murder everyone in real life. Warden, Conqueror, Warlord and Valkyrie would most likely be the top 5.
Centurion would be above both Valkyire and Warlord thanks to the full metal armour.
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Schrader Aug 21, 2018 @ 7:55pm 
Originally posted by Transcendent:
Originally posted by God Himself:
Lawbringer would murder everyone in real life. Warden, Conqueror, Warlord and Valkyrie would most likely be the top 5.
Centurion would be above both Valkyire and Warlord thanks to the full metal armour.
Yeah but he doesn't have a shield, which Valkyrie and Warlord both do. Warlord and Valkyrie both have chainmail also which is pretty strong. If Cent had a shield be would be top 5 definitely.
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John Darksoul Aug 21, 2018 @ 9:22pm 
Lawbro, not only he would win against Warden but against every other hero in For Honor. Look for a video by the youtuber ''Metatron'' about a ''real life'' ranking of heroes.
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peppermint hollows Aug 21, 2018 @ 9:47pm 
Originally posted by DirtyDog:
They didn't even go into any detail about the samurai or vikings. Knights would simply slaughter them all.

If you actually want to be realistic though, vikings irl weren't naked barbarians that refused to wear anything other than leather straps on their shoulders and knees. Those who were well equipped actually owned and wore armour. I would say the most realistic looking Viking in the cast is Warlord. He's got chainmail underneath that leather. So it's sort of a silly comparison if you're going to talk about looking at it from a realistic approach, but pretend that vikings are hopeless savages that could never dare tangle with a knight. As for Samurai, well I don't really know a lot about them but I don't think they're in the same boat you put them in either.
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Schrader Aug 21, 2018 @ 9:59pm 
Originally posted by StrawberryPi:
Originally posted by DirtyDog:
They didn't even go into any detail about the samurai or vikings. Knights would simply slaughter them all.

If you actually want to be realistic though, vikings irl weren't naked barbarians that refused to wear anything other than leather straps on their shoulders and knees. Those who were well equipped actually owned and wore armour. I would say the most realistic looking Viking in the cast is Warlord. He's got chainmail underneath that leather. So it's sort of a silly comparison if you're going to talk about looking at it from a realistic approach, but pretend that vikings are hopeless savages that could never dare tangle with a knight. As for Samurai, well I don't really know a lot about them but I don't think they're in the same boat you put them in either.
The Samurai actually used a large mixture of wood, chainmel and steel, which made for quite a powerful defense, but their weaponry was what really lacked. Most Samurai blades would work great against the Vikings, but would literally do nothing against most of the Knights.
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peppermint hollows Aug 21, 2018 @ 10:24pm 
Originally posted by God Himself:
The Samurai actually used a large mixture of wood, chainmel and steel, which made for quite a powerful defense, but their weaponry was what really lacked. Most Samurai blades would work great against the Vikings, but would literally do nothing against most of the Knights.

Interesting, appreciate the info!
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Schrader Aug 21, 2018 @ 10:27pm 
Originally posted by StrawberryPi:
Originally posted by God Himself:
The Samurai actually used a large mixture of wood, chainmel and steel, which made for quite a powerful defense, but their weaponry was what really lacked. Most Samurai blades would work great against the Vikings, but would literally do nothing against most of the Knights.

Interesting, appreciate the info!
No problem!
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Transcendent Aug 21, 2018 @ 11:03pm 
Originally posted by God Himself:
The Samurai actually used a large mixture of wood, chainmel and steel, which made for quite a powerful defense, but their weaponry was what really lacked. Most Samurai blades would work great against the Vikings, but would literally do nothing against most of the Knights.
Wood wasn't used by Samurai at all. It's far too dense, making it impractically heavy and actually rather inefficient. In real life, a Kensei who wears 3 2x0.5 metre doors worth of wood wouldn't be able to move for long and definitely wouldn't be as agile as he is in game. Chainmail and steel was used, though.
Last edited by Transcendent; Aug 21, 2018 @ 11:04pm
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Schrader Aug 21, 2018 @ 11:30pm 
Originally posted by Transcendent:
Originally posted by God Himself:
The Samurai actually used a large mixture of wood, chainmel and steel, which made for quite a powerful defense, but their weaponry was what really lacked. Most Samurai blades would work great against the Vikings, but would literally do nothing against most of the Knights.
Wood wasn't used by Samurai at all. It's far too dense, making it impractically heavy and actually rather inefficient. In real life, a Kensei who wears 3 2x0.5 metre doors worth of wood wouldn't be able to move for long and definitely wouldn't be as agile as he is in game. Chainmail and steel was used, though.
Thinner layers of less dense woods would be used as an extra defense, but yeah, chainmail and steel were mainly used. It's really annoying because I think all of the Samurai in For Honor are either wearing cloth or wood. It would be cool to see realistic armor for them.
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