Can we give Nuxia a buff?

[Fent Fiend]

Her light attacks, dodges, and deflects are either really slow, low-damaging, or not rewarding. The new hook is a good idea to the game, but kinda like Shinobi's grapple.

People learned to punish the hook attack easily, and it's too slow. Anyone who's not a 'tard would know not to parry or block that direction, and whenever the attack does happen to land (once every 10 tries on average), you only get so little damage.

Also, the deflect is 46 damage by default and that's not really rewarding. Light attacks for her are slow, and heavies and feints are really predictable. Maybe add bleed damage at the end of every combo moveset and deflects and she'll be just fine.

I'm disappointed to see the lack of people with the DLC playing her, and choosing better characters like Tiandi just for the great openers and softe feints. She's a good character with a lot of potential, and the hook is a new game feature that should not be put to waste if she's gonna be underpowered.

[+ Sir Lance +]

I figure if you know its light spam, pick a direction and time a parry. 66% you get hit with a light, 33% you get a heavy punish with revenge build and stamina drain. I played Nuxia a bit and her lights are very effective at getting around peoples' guards. I stole an enemy player's strat of running up with 2 lights followed by the trap-heavy. By the time people react to the lights they usually turn and try to match a defense without realizing what's comin. ;) Worked for him, worked for me. Ppl gonna have to learn to adapt and recognize a Nuxia on a moment's notice

[SushiJaguar]

Nuxia does not need a buff. She's not the strongest assassin, but she doesn't need to be. She does perfectly good damage (better than shugoki without chargeups and 3x as fast) and she's got enough tricks in her playbook to be good enough. She's also extremely speedy on combo lights and her heavies are almost as fast as Shaman's comboed ones.

[Stret]

引用自 Grey Giver：

引用自 Stret1311：

I often can react to it,

What do you mean by "often"?

You have to have a 233 ms reaction time to react to it.

Btw, this is incorrect. Its 333ms. Your guard doesn't need to be active to parry.

[Rodi]

People are getting so spoiled by assassin's multiple supersonic moves that when a new assassin requires a bit more brain (just a bit), they cry and ask for a buff.

[Nekra]

Nuxia is easily the weakest Wu Lin Hero, and is one of the weakest Assassins to date. She's the only assassin I've leveled up past Rep 2 (Got her to Rep 5 so far), as I normally main Heavier characters, but I've enjoyed her very gimmick playstyle so far. She doesn't really bring anything to the table outside of a neat gimmick and some fast lights. A lot of her executions are also super meh (Off topic)

Her deflect can be BLOCKED if you just keep your guard in the same direction you attacked from. (Her Deflect is one of her three highest damaging moves, especially with isolator and slip through in 4v4, making it deal 60+ damage)

Her entire kit is based around a gimmick, once you learn the gimmick, you never fall for it again.

Her third heavy moving people is so gimmicky and will never actually come into use unless you play against the worst parry king in the International community.

Zone Trap is ACTUALLY terrible, as the zone attack is so telegraphed that you would be an idiot to not cancel into trap. Good damage if someone stares at you performing the trap.

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引用自 Stret1311：

引用自 Grey Giver：

What do you mean by "often"?

You have to have a 233 ms reaction time to react to it.

Btw, this is incorrect. Its 333ms. Your guard doesn't need to be active to parry.

No, you are incorrect. The parry window ends 100 ms before an attack hits.

[Fent Fiend]

引用自 Digolaxy：

People are getting so spoiled by assassin's multiple supersonic moves that when a new assassin requires a bit more brain (just a bit), they cry and ask for a buff.

Did you even read what I said? "Supersonic moves" have nothing against turtling, and the only opener Nuxia really has is the hook (which can easily be predicted if one halfway decent at the art of turtling)

[peppermint hollows]

This might not be entirely related to the discussion, but I've really just hated her whole gimmick and I think she's overall just a poorly designed hero. I know that trap is supposed be her unique thing, but it's just dumb. It encourages you to do the exact opposite of what the game teaches you to do (which is blocking in the direction of an attack). It forces you either light attack her out of the trap or guard in a different direction is just stupid design in my opinion. People were crying that she needs to be looked at even during the Open Test. Nothing changed between the Open Test and the release of Marching Fire, which was a significant enough time gap for the devs to look at her and make changes, but they simply neglected to do so.

[Zulu]

No.

[Stret]

引用自 Grey Giver：

引用自 Stret1311：

Btw, this is incorrect. Its 333ms. Your guard doesn't need to be active to parry.

No, you are incorrect. The parry window ends 100 ms before an attack hits.

Ok. And?

The parry window is not on the middle of an attack ya fool

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引用自 Stret1311：

The parry window is not on the middle of an attack ya fool

I literally just told you when it is, learn to read.

引用自 Stret1311：

Ok. And?

And it means I am right, if it wasn't completely and blatantly obvious.

Do you need me to do basic math for you? Well it seems like you do, since you asked me.

Attack is 400 ms by default. Delayed, it comes out as 333 ms. Parry window ends 100 ms before the attack hits. 333 - 100 = 233. You have 233 ms to react to it if you try to parry.

[Crumpaloo]

引用自 Lämp：

Her light attacks, dodges, and deflects are either really slow, low-damaging, or not rewarding. The new hook is a good idea to the game, but kinda like Shinobi's grapple.

People learned to punish the hook attack easily, and it's too slow. Anyone who's not a 'tard would know not to parry or block that direction, and whenever the attack does happen to land (once every 10 tries on average), you only get so little damage.

Also, the deflect is 46 damage by default and that's not really rewarding. Light attacks for her are slow, and heavies and feints are really predictable. Maybe add bleed damage at the end of every combo moveset and deflects and she'll be just fine.

I'm disappointed to see the lack of people with the DLC playing her, and choosing better characters like Tiandi just for the great openers and softe feints. She's a good character with a lot of potential, and the hook is a new game feature that should not be put to waste if she's gonna be underpowered.

LOL just played around with her in training arena and you can guard break easily when she tries to hook grab LOL.

[Helianshi]

Thank you for this thread, I can experience all what you said, and it is really frustrating to play Nuxia at this moment, knowing how to avoid trap you can't do literally nothing, her light attack opener is very slow and counter each time even if the oponner charging a heavy.
Please buff her for the moment as an assassin hero Nuxia is useless.

[Csx39]

While her 400ms lights are good and all they don’t make a good character alone

Her traps are really reactable and don’t work on chain blocks or parrys during ganks and I normally just zone or emote or dodge when she uses it in a gank

[76561198048978863]

引用自 Grey Giver：

引用自 Stret1311：

The parry window is not on the middle of an attack ya fool

I literally just told you when it is, learn to read.

引用自 Stret1311：

Ok. And?

And it means I am right, if it wasn't completely and blatantly obvious.

Do you need me to do basic math for you? Well it seems like you do, since you asked me.

Attack is 400 ms by default. Delayed, it comes out as 333 ms. Parry window ends 100 ms before the attack hits. 333 - 100 = 233. You have 233 ms to react to it if you try to parry.

Don't forget about the 33 ms input lag. With the input lag, it is 233 - 33 = 200 ms.