Zone Attacking? Never heard of it...

[Rhowin]

But for real... Zone attacking on controllers is actually absurd. I am not changing my layout for my light and heavy attacks because they are perfect where they are. But the zone attack is nearly impossible to pull off, let alone in combat.

[Skygaze]

It's annoying, but you get used to it.

[Rhowin]

Originally posted by Skynote:

It's annoying, but you get used to it.

Its just infuraiting when you see really good players able to use it all the time in combos or whatever, and that is only because they use a mouse and keyboard. I just prefer this game on controller because blocking is a pain with the mouse because it obviously doesn't reset its position.

[Skygaze]

Originally posted by Rhowin:

Originally posted by Skynote:

It's annoying, but you get used to it.

Its just infuraiting when you see really good players able to use it all the time in combos or whatever, and that is only because they use a mouse and keyboard.

You don't need to be using KB/M to zone attack, the input is just finicky on a gamepad. To consistently do it you can either slam both inputs (Not advisable, kills durability) or time your trigger pull to actually match the bumber's input.

Again, finicky, but you get used to it.

[Rhowin]

Originally posted by Skynote:

Originally posted by Rhowin:

Its just infuraiting when you see really good players able to use it all the time in combos or whatever, and that is only because they use a mouse and keyboard.

You don't need to be using KB/M to zone attack, the input is just finicky on a gamepad. To consistently do it you can either slam both inputs (Not advisable, kills durability) or time your trigger pull to actually match the bumber's input.

Again, finicky, but you get used to it.

Whenever I did the zone attack on mouse, I could do it nearly every time. I had to use mouse on the trial for the zone attack cause console was impossible to do it with.

[Skygaze]

Originally posted by Rhowin:

Originally posted by Skynote:

You don't need to be using KB/M to zone attack, the input is just finicky on a gamepad. To consistently do it you can either slam both inputs (Not advisable, kills durability) or time your trigger pull to actually match the bumber's input.

Again, finicky, but you get used to it.

Whenever I did the zone attack on mouse, I could do it nearly every time. I had to use mouse on the trial for the zone attack cause console was impossible to do it with.

It's easier on KB/M because both buttons are the same, that doesn't mean it's impossible to zone on gamepad. You just need to put more than two minutes of practice into it is all.

If all else fails you can always rebind.

[FoolishNinja]

i can pull them off and im playing with a controller. git gud nub

[FoolishNinja]

Originally posted by Simply_Divine:

Originally posted by Foolish Ninja:

i can pull them off and im playing with a controller. git gud nub

What controller are you playing with? - PS2/3 type or Xbox with a trigger where the R2 is on the PS?

ps3

[Rhowin]

I use a PS4 and the timing on it is extremely hard to get.

[Potato Doge ( ★ ★ ★ )]

I've been able to perform the input near perfect on a controller.

If this is your first time playing any sort of fighting game with more than simple button inputs, read below. And keep an open mind about how ridiculously stupid the amount of effort you might have to apply to move 2 fingers a certain way at the same time

The first thing you need to do is go into training. Disable AI so it's literally just a training dummy.
Next, this is a two button input using two fingers (Idk wtf to tell you if you try using your index finger for both RB and RT on any controller.)
As such, you need to practice hitting RB with your first finger, and RT with your second finger individually one at a time (I use Index for RB, middle for RT.) Practice about 10 times on each. I highly doubt any of you will fail the simple input (it's a simple input for a reason).

Now, you should be comfortable enough to use the individual fingers on the individual inputs specifically without much thought. This is where things usually get complicated (where I would suspect most of you are having problems)

You need to adjust the timing of each invidual input until you can do both at the same time. Unless you're controller is a POS or your fingers are malfunctioning (god help you if they are). There are only two results
1. You did the zone attack
2. You did not do the zone attack

If you did not do the zone attack, this means your input was incorrect.

If your input was incorrect, look and see what input you performed by your characters actions.
If it was a light attack, you hit RB first. If it was a heavy attack, you hit RT first.

If you hit RB first, delay the RB input (try leading with your RT finger)
If you hit RT first, delay the RT input (try leading with your RB finger)

Your goal is to still do the inputs at the same time. Leading means you are squeezing more with the leading finger, and as a result of trying to do the inputs at the same time, your following finger should follow the leading finger in a near mimic response.

If you're not sure what I'm referring to, try these exercises->
Make a peace sign (should mean the two fingers you are using are extended)
Once you do that, the finger you have designated as the leading finger from earlier, will be the first finger you move. Do the simple motion of tucking it in so your following finger becomes the only one extended. Do the motion 5 times. After those 5 times, start moving both fingers at the same time (the same tucking motion, except now into a fist) for 5 more times. Hopefully this should cause you to have a sensation of still moving the leading finger individually where the following finger is tied to the leading finger.

[Skygaze]

Is use a 360 gamepad. It took me just under 5 minutes to learn the new zone attack input after the window was nerfed, you guys are blowing this a little out of proportion.

You don't need a PS3/4 gamepad to play the game, it just doesn't require as much effort, and if we're being fair it really doesn't require much effort at all even on a 360/One gamepad.

[Potato Doge ( ★ ★ ★ )]

Originally posted by Simply_Divine:

GunWuhlf,

When I started playing FH, I was using a generic gamepad with a PS2/PS3 index and middle finger buttons. I never had a problem pulling off a Zone Attack whatsoever. Never once did I fail. However, the gamepad broke and I replaced it with an XBox controller and I'm lucky if I can pull off a zone attack once in about 5 or so attempts. It's got to the point where I don't bother anymore because in a situation where you desperately need to pull one off, fluffing with a light or a heavy attack that's blocked or worse, parried and it's goodnight vienna.
The only solution for me is to purchase another controller.

If that's the solution for you because you have problems then go for it. I've performed the input on multiple controllers (Xbone/X360/PS4, and currently Razer Raiju)

I personally liked the PS4 controller over both Xbone and X360 but then swapped to Razer Raiju cause it just felt better to me than the others (inputs never mattered because I usually just adapt if I have to input them wrong)

I've actually considered picking up a fight stick to try and use in for honor for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles but haven't really felt apted to blow the money for it.

If you're failing an input, you either just have problems with the input (it sounds like in your case you didn't take the time to break the habit of how you were doing the input on your old controller compared to your current one), or your rig is literally so bad it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the input (again, sounds like your rig is fine)

So yeah, go ahead and spend the money if it'll work better for you, sounds like it'll fix your problems without you having to apply more effort.

[Rhowin]

Originally posted by Skynote:

Is use a 360 gamepad. It took me just under 5 minutes to learn the new zone attack input after the window was nerfed, you guys are blowing this a little out of proportion.

You don't need a PS3/4 gamepad to play the game, it just doesn't require as much effort, and if we're being fair it really doesn't require much effort at all even on a 360/One gamepad.

You do understand that different controllers are... ya'know.... just that. Different controllers change everything because they have different depression rates on their keys. Current gen console controllers have it hard when trying to doing the zone attack.

[Skygaze]

Originally posted by Rhowin:

lCurrent gen console controllers have it hard when trying to doing the zone attack.

Unless you practice for 5 minutes, yeah.

[Lightstorm95]

well, to "make up for it", kb/m has a tough time with feints and countering guard breaks. feint is mapped to e which is just...bizarre (im like 70 hours into playing and i still dont feint because its just awkward and i dont know what to map it to) and the middle mouse button for counter guardbreak is in a similiarly wierd spot, though not as bad as feints.
EDIT: oh and, because counter guardbreak is middle mouse button, you have to choose between preparing to parry and preparing to counter guard break

[Rhowin]

Originally posted by Skynote:

Originally posted by Rhowin:

lCurrent gen console controllers have it hard when trying to doing the zone attack.

Unless you practice for 5 minutes, yeah.

I have practiced for a lot longer than that, and it takes more than just good timing.