Shaman is "OP"

[Sky 🖤]

I'm starting to find this quite hilarous at this point, as she's not even considered in top tier heroes surprisingly. Like when you learn how to deal with Shamans you hardly ever lose to them. On console fair enough, but the 400ms light bleed isn't that difficult to react to. As Beserker is getting a rework and now going to have 400ms Light attacks I honestly can't see why anyone can even have the right to complain about PK or Shaman, Aramusha or even Glad. All have fast lights, but now most of beserkers lights are now going to be as fast as PK's and Orochi's zone attack. So no one has the right to complain about the heroes I have mentioned. PK/Orochis zone comes from the same side every time, beserkers lights (that are going to be the same speed as PK/Orochis zone) can come from any direction making it much harder to deal with. And please don't give me the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "lights are easy to block" or even parry. I understand Shamans bite attack feint can be a little daunting but if you get used to it, it's quite easily seen.

Just wanted to make this post clear I'm not saying beserker is OP. (In the rework)
I'm saying you can't complain about light spam/zones anymore when Beserker is now going to be worse than PK/Aramusha/Shaman (As far as lights spam goes)

[Jade Merrydown]

This doesn't make Shaman NOT OP

[Trippy Drug]

She is not considered top tier according to who?Not any known tier lists for sure,since nearly everyone agrees that she is still very powerful.

Shaman will remain in S tier,she just needs some more adjustments in her dash heavies and predator's mercy.Those aside she is fine.The point isn't to bring her down to other tiers,it's to make sure she doesn't deal unreasonably big damage very fast,like she does with predator's hunger for example,as well as make sure the indicators work as intended-i've seen a lot of shamans feint it at the very last milisecond making the ub icon pop up.

And generally speaking,shaman remains way too strong for the majority of the original 12 heroes.You can't really say they have no right to claim she is op,because for the class they are playing,she is.

[The Waffle that Lurks]

See call me weird but I actually like fighting Shamans as my Shugoki. They almost always start with a headbutt to try to peel my hyper armor. So I do 1 of 2 things I dodge and bat them away/wallsplat or I trade my HA for a hug!

[Trippy Drug]

Originally posted by dragonraider1000:

See call me weird but I actually like fighting Shamans as my Shugoki. They almost always start with a headbutt to try to peel my hyper armor. So I do 1 of 2 things I dodge and bat them away/wallsplat or I trade my HA for a hug!

Shugoki's hyper armor does wonders.You can defeat pretty much anyone with it if you are careful.

[Dephty]

Originally posted by CybermΩnk:

Originally posted by dragonraider1000:

See call me weird but I actually like fighting Shamans as my Shugoki. They almost always start with a headbutt to try to peel my hyper armor. So I do 1 of 2 things I dodge and bat them away/wallsplat or I trade my HA for a hug!

Shugoki's hyper armor does wonders.You can defeat pretty much anyone with it if you are careful.

Just put everything to revenge gain and defense as shucutie . And become a nuisance.

[FrappeWarrior]

its not just the 400ms attacks that make heroes op/broken/whatever. just because now zerker has 400ms lights, and thats lights after feint, regular feint not soft feint, doesnt mean shaman is fine or zerker is up to par with shaman/pk/whoever

[Riacu]

Fighting 3 shamans on dominion is not fun

[Dephty]

Originally posted by Riacu:

Fighting 3 shamans on dominion is not fun

I had fun fighting 3 shaman and a mushroom in dom as a raider.

[Sky 🖤]

I'm not saying it's fine, but you can't complain about a hero like shaman or PK having fast attacks if another hero. And ill say it again - I am not saying it's fine to have 400ms attacks. I am simply saying that if people complain about 1 hero like PK then other heroes are the exact same/even worse than her you haven't really got a right to complain.

[Skygaze]

Originally posted by Dark Angel:

you can't complain about a hero like shaman or PK having fast attacks if other heroes are the exact same/even worse than her

Last time I checked the rest of the roster didn't have two abusable 50/50s or a 400ms attack from neutral.

Why do you think they're S tier? Isn't for no reason.

[Imcold]

Shaman main detected

[Sky 🖤]

Originally posted by Evicerine:

Shaman main detected

Actually I'm a PK main. I just play Shaman on the side.. she my side chick.

[Baurochs]

IIRC it was her recovery times that was OP, you can wallsplat shaman and she can still parry a heavy. Her throw distance is also absurd, throws me farther than shugokis homerun.

[Imcold]

Originally posted by Dark Angel:

Originally posted by Evicerine:

Shaman main detected

Actually I'm a PK main. I just play Shaman on the side.. she my side chick.

PK is rediculous too hahaha

[Sky 🖤]

not really.. someone with decent reaction time and just sits and blocks (like lawbringers) and constantly shoves its cancer and worse than pk