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Ilya Muromets May 19, 2018 @ 10:35am
Best Viking Hero?
Title, need some help. Want to get into one of them but not sure who would be considered the "best." I tried highlander for an hour and a half but he seemed kind of hard because of switching to offense stance with no way of blocking and having to hold right trigger. I'm willing to try him again though; thanks in advance for any advice
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Maximum Sloth May 19, 2018 @ 10:52am 
Berserker if not highlander.
Last edited by Maximum Sloth; May 19, 2018 @ 10:52am
Antik May 19, 2018 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by Maximum Sloth:
Berserker if not highlander.

Highlander, hahahahahaha.

Berzerker and Shaman for every gamemode.
Raider, Highlander and Warlord for 4v4.
Saint Landwalker May 19, 2018 @ 11:09am 
Berserker is probably the best hero in the game right now.

Highlander and Shaman are both A tier.
strike478 May 19, 2018 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Berserker is probably the best hero in the game right now.

Highlander and Shaman are both A tier.
Shaman is S tier.
Saint Landwalker May 19, 2018 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by strike478:
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Berserker is probably the best hero in the game right now.

Highlander and Shaman are both A tier.
Shaman is S tier.
In 4s, probably, and only because of her synergy with other heroes.
Lupo89 May 19, 2018 @ 11:19am 
I say go with raider, he might not have much but is still very good in 4vs4.
Dorito Man May 19, 2018 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Berserker is probably the best hero in the game right now.

Highlander and Shaman are both A tier.
I respect you, Cyber, etc. But you guys honestly baffle me sometimes.

Berserker is good, yes. But the BEST?! I can’t even pretend to agree with that statement.
Saint Landwalker May 19, 2018 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by Dorito Man:
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Berserker is probably the best hero in the game right now.

Highlander and Shaman are both A tier.
I respect you, Cyber, etc. But you guys honestly baffle me sometimes.

Berserker is good, yes. But the BEST?! I can’t even pretend to agree with that statement.
I assume you would argue that Conqueror is the best?

Which is a fair position, but here's the thing. Berserker and Conqueror are probably about even in a head-to-head match-up. So then you look at the rest of the S/A-tier heroes. Who has more positive match-ups?

Shaman: Probably a push. Conqueror might have a better match-up than Zerker, but not by much.

Peacekeeper: I'd say Conqueror is in better shape here than Zerker is.

Highlander: Berserker by a huge margin.

Gladiator: Berserker again, by a huge margin again.

If we're going by Skorbrand's tier list, then there's also Shinobi (Berserker) and Warlord (honestly not sure).

That's why I'm saying that Berserker is, at least in duels, the best hero in the game. Zerk and Conq are both very strong, but among the top heroes Berserker has more positive match-ups (and by larger margins) than Conqueror does.

Now, for 4v4s, I'd probably say Conqueror > Berserker, but Shaman > Both because of her synergies.
Lord Lolik May 19, 2018 @ 12:04pm 
What about the Raider ? I'd like to play him, but everybody says he's pretty meh.
Why is he average compared to the rest of the Vikings ?
Saint Landwalker May 19, 2018 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by Lord Lolik:
What about the Raider ? I'd like to play him, but everybody says he's pretty meh.
Why is he average compared to the rest of the Vikings ?
Raider is usable in 4s because of his high-damage unblockable zone finisher (not the neutral zone) and because of Stampede Charge, as well as some decent feats. He's not the best but he can definitely have success.
Maximum Sloth May 19, 2018 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Lord Lolik:
What about the Raider ? I'd like to play him, but everybody says he's pretty meh.
Why is he average compared to the rest of the Vikings ?
If you like raider, play raider.

Don't get too caught up in tier lists.
Lord Lolik May 19, 2018 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Originally posted by Lord Lolik:
What about the Raider ? I'd like to play him, but everybody says he's pretty meh.
Why is he average compared to the rest of the Vikings ?
Raider is usable in 4s because of his high-damage unblockable zone finisher (not the neutral zone) and because of Stampede Charge, as well as some decent feats. He's not the best but he can definitely have success.

I guess in duels he heavily relies on feints then ?



Originally posted by Maximum Sloth:
Originally posted by Lord Lolik:
What about the Raider ? I'd like to play him, but everybody says he's pretty meh.
Why is he average compared to the rest of the Vikings ?
If you like raider, play raider.

Don't get too caught up in tier lists.

Yeah I know I should, but I also want to feel like I have a chance against very good players so tier list kinda give info about that.
Ilya Muromets May 19, 2018 @ 12:37pm 
Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with berzerker; any tips for me to get started?
Das Big Hippo May 19, 2018 @ 12:48pm 
My dude, don't worry about tier lists. Play who you enjoy. SHugoki is considered bottom of the barrel, but I can still do work with him.
Dorito Man May 19, 2018 @ 12:51pm 
Originally posted by Landwalker:
Originally posted by Dorito Man:
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I’d argue that Conqueror is stronger than Berserker, yes, but I wouldn’t say that either of them are the best, either. But we’ll leave that to another day, as my opinion on that specific matter is not much liked on this forum.

Back to the matchup discussion:

Conqueror vs. Berserker: I’d heavily favor the Conqueror in this matchup, for couple reasons.

First, Berserker is very heavily punished by Conqueror’s forward dodge fake, as he takes a light parry punish for falling for it, which means it not only does a decent chunk of damage, but also hits Berserker’s stamina hard, which is something Berserker needs a lot of in order to sustain his mixups.

Second, the existence of Conqueror’s Full Block is a severe hindrance to Berserker. While it is risky for Conqueror to use, landing it once or twice forces the Berserker to play with GBs more often, due to the fact that Berserker has no unblockable bashes (his only other option out of the Full Block is his unblockable heavies). By being forced to play with GBs, Berserker’s mixups and overall DPS is slowed down, as every failed GB attempt shuts down his combo and forces him to restart. By keeping the Berserker on his toes for the Full Block, Conqueror slows down the Berserker and allows him less successful hits, giving Conqueror more time to chip him away with Shield Bashes.

Third, his superior block on dodges acts as a better deflect against Berserker. The issue with regular deflects against Berserker is that the attack from the deflect will still bounce off the hyper armor and the deflecter will still take the following hit. With Conqueror, however, the chain is fully stopped by his dodge, guaranteeing that his Shield Bash will land and net him his damage.

Fourth, his Shield Bash’s ability to power through Berserker’s hyper armor is very useful for stopping Berserker cold, due to its speed and the fact that it is an unblockable Bash.

Finally, Conqueror’s zone option select is very strong against a Berserker, as even if the Berserker feints ito a 400 ms light (which is normally fast enough to catch other characters’ zone option selects) the Full Block from the zone attack will negate it. While it does not hit hard, it is a much safer option and only counterable by hardfeinting the heavy and waiting to parry, which only provides a heavy parry punish.


In terms of other matchups, I generally agree with them all, except for one: Highlander.

While it is true that Berserker can provide more issues for Highlander whole he is in Defensive Form (largely by pressuring him enough to keep him out of Offensive Form), Conqueror is a more threatening presence while Highlander is in Offensive Form, which is far more relevant, considering the fact that Highlander can roll out and hop into Offensive Form at any point in time anyways (or just hop into it at the start of the round).

Conqueror’s forward Shield Bash isuch more difficult to deal with than Berserker’s feints for Highlander, as Highlander’s great dodge often allows him to dodge the heavy attack on reaction and still end up dodging the light after the feint. However, if Conqueror delays his Shield Bashes correctly, he can make it very difficult for Highlander while he is in Offensive Form.

All-in-all, I would say Conqueror is roughly equal to Berserker in the Highlander matchup.
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