Jiang Jun

[R3d_Rain+]

Why?

Can dodge everything, super high mobility
Has a thousand soft feints
Really fast lights
Confirmed heavy on any parry
Has ♥♥♥♥ tons of HP for his speed and
Never has to commit to anything

Who thought this was okay?

[HELLCAT]

uhhhh.....
for me he is fking trash no joke

1.he has extended dodge if u dont know (extended dodge on dodge attack)

2.about feint he is only have 1 soft feint which is dodge attack into light its verry ez to parry

3.fast light? he's light is 500ms which is is standard for every hero (almost every hero is have 500ms) except raider he had 600

4.he is parry game is verry good same like LB so dont get parry

and he is okay after the nerf

(sry for my bad english)

[Viable_Golem4375]

1. he does have a good dodge attack but he can be GBd out of it.

2. Yeah ok sure I'll give you that his soft feints are decent.

3. He has the standard 500ms lights.

4. That is blatantly untrue.

5. That is sort of half true, he can hard feint his dodge attack (which I don't think he should be able to do) but besides that he has a normal level of safeness.

[R3d_Rain+]

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

1. he does have a good dodge attack but he can be GBd out of it.

2. Yeah ok sure I'll give you that his soft feints are decent.

3. He has the standard 500ms lights.

4. That is blatantly untrue.

5. That is sort of half true, he can hard feint his dodge attack (which I don't think he should be able to do) but besides that he has a normal level of safeness.

4) What do you call that unblockable after any parry that does over 25 damage?

5) Edit about HP

6) He can cancel a ♥♥♥♥ ton of attacks with his retreating stance, and also make you whiff almost anything because of that stance. It's really annoying, on top of his very good dodge. Idk why he's a heavy and not an assassin, and assassins in this game are already cancer enough.

[el crabo.7]

you know that you can dodge all his move with a simple back dodge ? Thanks to his t-rex arms he can't guardbreak you
JJ is only strong in 4v4 in 1v1 he's a joke
moreover it's not because you can't hit him in his dodge that you can't guardbreak him , just bait a dodge and guardbreak him

[WadderZz]

I main JJ:
Sifu poise is good for dodging, yet it is a free guardbreak, so try to bait it out/time it right.
1 soft feint, the dodge heavy into light.
500ms lights, like every other character.
top heavy on light parry, zone/light on heavy parry.
He's a heavy, he's going to have alot of HP. This is balanced out by huge stamina cost for his attacks and feints, meaning he has to sifu poise often, again, its a free guardbreak if you time it right.
"Never has to commit to anything" - ?

[Reiner Braun]

He doesnt have confirmed heavy on a parry. ( Which parry? )
He has on a light parry.
On heavy he has light

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by R3d_Rain:

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

1. he does have a good dodge attack but he can be GBd out of it.

2. Yeah ok sure I'll give you that his soft feints are decent.

3. He has the standard 500ms lights.

4. That is blatantly untrue.

5. That is sort of half true, he can hard feint his dodge attack (which I don't think he should be able to do) but besides that he has a normal level of safeness.

4) What do you call that unblockable after any parry that does over 25 damage?

5) Edit about HP

6) He can cancel a ♥♥♥♥ ton of attacks with his retreating stance, and also make you whiff almost anything because of that stance. It's really annoying, on top of his very good dodge. Idk why he's a heavy and not an assassin, and assassins in this game are already cancer enough.

4. I call it 25 damage, also it's a zone not a heavy, it's a decent heavy parry punish but a terrible light parry punish seeing as he can't get a heavy off of either parry.

5. Yeah sure he's fast and has a lot of HP but that's all he really has going for him, he's already a super turtle in 1v1s because he has no openers.

6. I do somewhat agree that he isn't quite your typical heavy, I would consider him almost a hybrid rather than a heavy.

[R3d_Rain+]

Originally posted by TheSlapMachine:

I main JJ:
Sifu poise is good for dodging, yet it is a free guardbreak, so try to bait it out/time it right.
1 soft feint, the dodge heavy into light.
500ms lights, like every other character.
top heavy on light parry, zone/light on heavy parry.
He's a heavy, he's going to have alot of HP. This is balanced out by huge stamina cost for his attacks and feints, meaning he has to sifu poise often, again, its a free guardbreak if you time it right.
"Never has to commit to anything" - ?

The stamina cost doesn't matter because he goes into his retreating stance and gets it back almost instantly.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

Originally posted by R3d_Rain:

4) What do you call that unblockable after any parry that does over 25 damage?

5) Edit about HP

6) He can cancel a ♥♥♥♥ ton of attacks with his retreating stance, and also make you whiff almost anything because of that stance. It's really annoying, on top of his very good dodge. Idk why he's a heavy and not an assassin, and assassins in this game are already cancer enough.

4. I call it 25 damage, also it's a zone not a heavy, it's a decent heavy parry punish but a terrible light parry punish seeing as he can't get a heavy off of either parry.

5. Yeah sure he's fast and has a lot of HP but that's all he really has going for him, he's already a super turtle in 1v1s because he has no openers.

6. I do somewhat agree that he isn't quite your typical heavy, I would consider him almost a hybrid rather than a heavy.

Then nobody has any openers.

[WadderZz]

Originally posted by R3d_Rain:

Originally posted by TheSlapMachine:

I main JJ:
Sifu poise is good for dodging, yet it is a free guardbreak, so try to bait it out/time it right.
1 soft feint, the dodge heavy into light.
500ms lights, like every other character.
top heavy on light parry, zone/light on heavy parry.
He's a heavy, he's going to have alot of HP. This is balanced out by huge stamina cost for his attacks and feints, meaning he has to sifu poise often, again, its a free guardbreak if you time it right.
"Never has to commit to anything" - ?

The stamina cost doesn't matter because he goes into his retreating stance and gets it back almost instantly.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

4. I call it 25 damage, also it's a zone not a heavy, it's a decent heavy parry punish but a terrible light parry punish seeing as he can't get a heavy off of either parry.

5. Yeah sure he's fast and has a lot of HP but that's all he really has going for him, he's already a super turtle in 1v1s because he has no openers.

6. I do somewhat agree that he isn't quite your typical heavy, I would consider him almost a hybrid rather than a heavy.

Then nobody has any openers.

"it doesn't matter" As i have 10 reps on jj i say im inclined to know more about him than you. He has large stamina cost which means he has to either turtle or go into sifu poise WHICH IS A FREE GUARDBREAK. He doesn't get it back instantly, it takes practically 2 seconds.

[Kruger Dunning]

Ok so I'm gonna let you guys in on a little (not really secret) secret
Those attacks that make you flash blue when you use them? Those are undodgeable
As in, they track dodges and ignore iframes
It only takes one of those on a team to make dodging as Jiang Jun a complete nightmare

Now, if you're talking about duels
Parry
Really
Jiang Jun has some of the easiest to parry attacks in the game
Those big wacky heavies he has because of how large and smooth the movement is give away the exact parry timing very naturally
If you're getting slapped by too many lights/zone attacks
Block and try not to let him take the offensive
This can be harder with some characters than others but really the big secret to killing Jiang Jun is to not be afraid of him
He does HUGE damage and that's intimidating
But parrying stops him from throwing any heavies ever, undodgeable attacks stop him from making use of his huge dodges and then what does he have?
Feints and normal speed lights.
Which almost the entire roster of characters has.
If you wanna complain about his stamina recovery stance and it having iframes
The nobushi has something similar but with actual attacks out of it instead of a zone attack that always comes from the same side

[Viable_Golem4375]

Originally posted by R3d_Rain:

Originally posted by TheSlapMachine:

I main JJ:
Sifu poise is good for dodging, yet it is a free guardbreak, so try to bait it out/time it right.
1 soft feint, the dodge heavy into light.
500ms lights, like every other character.
top heavy on light parry, zone/light on heavy parry.
He's a heavy, he's going to have alot of HP. This is balanced out by huge stamina cost for his attacks and feints, meaning he has to sifu poise often, again, its a free guardbreak if you time it right.
"Never has to commit to anything" - ?

The stamina cost doesn't matter because he goes into his retreating stance and gets it back almost instantly.

Originally posted by Viable_Golem4375:

4. I call it 25 damage, also it's a zone not a heavy, it's a decent heavy parry punish but a terrible light parry punish seeing as he can't get a heavy off of either parry.

5. Yeah sure he's fast and has a lot of HP but that's all he really has going for him, he's already a super turtle in 1v1s because he has no openers.

6. I do somewhat agree that he isn't quite your typical heavy, I would consider him almost a hybrid rather than a heavy.

Then nobody has any openers.

Most heroes have openers, JJ isn't one of them.