People who want only reactable moves in this game

[There'sNoStringOnMe]

What do you do with your own reactable moves against a turtle, really?

[Zobek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

You cant spam unreactable moves. You see all unreactable moves are telegraphed in some way

Its an absolute ♥♥♥♥ show in console because console is known for having quite worse players than PC.

Console and PS4 for the competitive community is just like SA and Australia for PC

How are unreactable moves telegraphed?

That wouldn't make them unreactable...

That sentence doesn't make sense...they're PREDICTABLE sometimes, but only when mono-directional in a chain like shaman's top bleed finisher.

[Axel]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zobek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

How are unreactable moves telegraphed?

That wouldn't make them unreactable...

That sentence doesn't make sense...they're PREDICTABLE sometimes, but only when mono-directional in a chain like shaman's top bleed finisher.

Well yeah I can see when a Warden is starting a SB but I don't know the outcome, that's not what being telegraphed means.

[Stret]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

You cant spam unreactable moves. You see all unreactable moves are telegraphed in some way

Its an absolute ♥♥♥♥ show in console because console is known for having quite worse players than PC.

Console and PS4 for the competitive community is just like SA and Australia for PC

How are unreactable moves telegraphed?

That wouldn't make them unreactable...

The thing is you cant literally spam them to death without a chance of reading because theyre telegraphed :

Warden foward dodges and starts his SB and has 700ms before he can release it.

conq's and bp's bash have a foward dodge telegraphing their instant form

zerk's offense is started by a neutral heavy feint \ blocked heavy

all chained 400ms lights

shaman's bash stance

etc etc

[Stret]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zobek:

That sentence doesn't make sense...they're PREDICTABLE sometimes, but only when mono-directional in a chain like shaman's top bleed finisher.

Well yeah I can see when a Warden is starting a SB but I don't know the outcome, that's not what being telegraphed means.

it is telegraphed because the game be like '' hey dude prepare yourself to make a read ''

its not like the move is from neutral

[Stret]

Let me word that a little better, good unreactable offense is offense that is not available from neutral, yet very easily acessible from neutral without the need of a punish or a succesful attack

[Jemppa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Well yeah I can see when a Warden is starting a SB but I don't know the outcome, that's not what being telegraphed means.

it is telegraphed because the game be like '' hey dude prepare yourself to make a read ''

its not like the move is from neutral

so you dodge warden's shoulder bash early and he gets you with charged one, or you predict it's charged one and dodge late, warden just feints it and takes gb, or the conq's, take a read on shield bash that can be delayed to catch dodge, almost instant for light or just forward dodge to see if you dodge, if you do, free gb and if you don't free bash

[Axel]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

How are unreactable moves telegraphed?

That wouldn't make them unreactable...

The thing is you cant literally spam them to death without a chance of reading because theyre telegraphed :

Warden foward dodges and starts his SB and has 700ms before he can release it.

conq's and bp's bash have a foward dodge telegraphing their instant form

zerk's offense is started by a neutral heavy feint \ blocked heavy

all chained 400ms lights

shaman's bash stance

etc etc

Problem is with Wardens SB the chances of your opponent making a correct read are 1/4.

[Jemppa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

The thing is you cant literally spam them to death without a chance of reading because theyre telegraphed :

Warden foward dodges and starts his SB and has 700ms before he can release it.

conq's and bp's bash have a foward dodge telegraphing their instant form

zerk's offense is started by a neutral heavy feint \ blocked heavy

all chained 400ms lights

shaman's bash stance

etc etc

Problem is with Wardens SB the chances of your opponent making a correct read are 1/4.

and if they somehow get the 1/4 right, guess what shoulderbash is feintable so no punish

[Axel]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jemppa:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Problem is with Wardens SB the chances of your opponent making a correct read are 1/4.

and if they somehow get the 1/4 right, guess what shoulderbash is feintable so no punish

Well they can possibly get a GB if you go for a fully charged bash and they dodge right, but even then the risk/reward is heavily in favour of the Warden.

[Jemppa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jemppa:

and if they somehow get the 1/4 right, guess what shoulderbash is feintable so no punish

Well they can possibly get a GB if you go for a fully charged bash and they dodge right, but even then the risk/reward is heavily in favour of the Warden.

or they can just feint the bash 100ms in to the animation thus giving you nothing

[Zobek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Well yeah I can see when a Warden is starting a SB but I don't know the outcome, that's not what being telegraphed means.

it is telegraphed because the game be like '' hey dude prepare yourself to make a read ''

its not like the move is from neutral

cough* nuxia * cough * shaolin * cough * LB * cough

[Jemppa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zobek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

it is telegraphed because the game be like '' hey dude prepare yourself to make a read ''

its not like the move is from neutral

cough* nuxia * cough * shaolin * cough * LB * cough

shaolin and lb=block top, react side
nuxia= idk but she just feels easier to block than other 400ms attacks

[Masuo15]

I want to answer OP with a different question:
People who want only unreactable moves in this game; what do you do with your own unreactable moves? play a guessing game the entire match? 50-50 the whole fight?.

[shower speedrunner]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Axel:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jemppa:

and if they somehow get the 1/4 right, guess what shoulderbash is feintable so no punish

Well they can possibly get a GB if you go for a fully charged bash and they dodge right, but even then the risk/reward is heavily in favour of the Warden.

I like how people want defender gain advantage over attacker.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zobek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stret1311:

it is telegraphed because the game be like '' hey dude prepare yourself to make a read ''

its not like the move is from neutral

cough* nuxia * cough * shaolin * cough * LB * cough

Nuxia 400ms is from the chain light, not neutral.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Masuo15:

I want to answer OP with a different question:
People who want only unreactable moves in this game; what do you do with your own unreactable moves? play a guessing game the entire match? 50-50 the whole fight?.

Attack them when you have a chance, like an actually fight, not just starring at them and prepare to counter/dodge their move.

[There'sNoStringOnMe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Masuo15:

I want to answer OP with a different question:
People who want only unreactable moves in this game; what do you do with your own unreactable moves? play a guessing game the entire match? 50-50 the whole fight?.

Initiate your own offense (because now you have your own unreactable move so why not), and if you fail to do so, a guessing game you have to play then. Just ... don't cry about it when someone successfully starts an offense on you.

And in case you haven't realised, what I said is just the norm in fighting games. And maybe Warden mirror matches. You let them dictate the flow of the fight, you get what's coming.