Riader Hitokiri Black Prior

[MakeTheGod]

No skill high reward heros having fun in this game.

[Gaser]

I call them okay but to each there own.

[Viable_Golem4375]

Hitokiri's not too bad.

[TelenS]

I may just be displaying how bad I am at the game, but I don't quite understand the BP hate. Whenever I play him (... I like female BP's looks), I ... do okay, but it's not like I'm steamrolling everyone. I feel like the thing everyone complains about (Bash+Light?) is just a worse version of Warden's. Anyone want to explain?

[Nopegineer]

BP's only problem is related to the guard switch bug, other than that he's fine imo

[NeuroticSlav]

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

BP's only problem is related to the guard switch bug, other than that he's fine imo

What bug?

[794redfield]

Originally posted by TelenS:

I may just be displaying how bad I am at the game, but I don't quite understand the BP hate. Whenever I play him (... I like female BP's looks), I ... do okay, but it's not like I'm steamrolling everyone. I feel like the thing everyone complains about (Bash+Light?) is just a worse version of Warden's. Anyone want to explain?

Most of the complaints surrounding Black Prior are the fact that he has a 500ms Bash that also has 500ms of Recovery, meaning dodging on reaction pretty much guarantees you nothing in terms of a punish and it being a Bash means it punches through Hyper Armor. Normally I'd also be against this, but honestly... its the shining example of an "Anti-Turtle" move, if you just sit there and wait you're giving BP free reign to bash you to their heart's content, the move and its quick recovery are there so the Prior has something to crack a turtle and also so people who fight against Prior are forced to have to make moves if they want to win.

As far as the other 2 go, Hito I personally just find frustrating to fight against mainly due to the variable timing heavies and the quick activation Hyper Armor making any attack that isn't a Bash an unfavorable trade for most heroes, since I've recently finally found a main in Black Prior, that isn't as much of an issue due to the reasons I stated above. And Raider... honestly I've fought so many of them by now that the Stunning Tap mix-up is practically parry fodder, he's a lot better for sure, but once people figure out how to deal with his bull he's just as much of a laughing stock as he was pre-season 10.

[Nopegineer]

Originally posted by Hitsuran:

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

BP's only problem is related to the guard switch bug, other than that he's fine imo

What bug?

You can't dodge his folow up bash if he hits you with light that you failed to block but still imputed the guard change. The game will first make you change guards which is 100 ms and then only will you be able to dodge, but it will be too late and you'll get bashed.

[Rodi]

I totally agree with OP, although Raider is on a whole different level, way stronger than the other two.
Even though I have zero faith in Ubisoft, I am still shocked by the ridiculous overpowered rework they did to Raider. It crossed all limits and shows how little they understand of their own game. It's like they only play in a internal network with zero lag and have no idea how players around the world are actually experiencing the game.

[Nopegineer]

Originally posted by RodrigoRJ:

I totally agree with OP, although Raider is on a whole different level, way stronger than the other two.
Even though I have zero faith in Ubisoft, I am still shocked by the ridiculous overpowered rework they did to Raider. It crossed all limits and shows how little they understand of their own game. It's like they only play in a internal network with zero lag and have no idea how players around the world are actually experiencing the game.

I'm sorry but if you think these are op without realizing that warden is by FAR the best hero in game then you're most probably the one who didn't understand the game.

[Lordenheim]

Hitokiri feels fine, bp is annoying but counterable. Raider is prime aids though, especially if you're facing more than one

[Rodi]

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

I'm sorry but if you think these are op without realizing that warden is by FAR the best hero in game then you're most probably the one who didn't understand the game.

Warden's SB is not safe, he is very good because of how many options SB has, but everyone agree that Raider is pure cancer now. If you fall for every single SB and can't ever avoid it or punish it, it's your fault.

[Nopegineer]

Originally posted by RodrigoRJ:

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

I'm sorry but if you think these are op without realizing that warden is by FAR the best hero in game then you're most probably the one who didn't understand the game.

Warden's SB is not safe, he is very good because of how many options SB has, but everyone agree that Raider is pure cancer now. If you fall for every single SB and can't ever avoid it or punish it, it's your fault.

Have you ever faced a really good warden? I'm GM and I can tell you that warden is by far the turtliest and most safe hero in game, he is pure cancer because he never has to commit.
Raider is a lot less safe than warden, while consistently parrying his stunning tap is not easy, blocking it shouldn't pose you much of a chalenge, if it does, then i guess you maybe aren't someone who should balance heroes.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

Originally posted by RodrigoRJ:

Warden's SB is not safe, he is very good because of how many options SB has, but everyone agree that Raider is pure cancer now. If you fall for every single SB and can't ever avoid it or punish it, it's your fault.

Have you ever faced a really good warden? I'm GM and I can tell you that warden is by far the turtliest and most safe hero in game, he is pure cancer because he never has to commit.
Raider is a lot less safe than warden, while consistently parrying his stunning tap is not easy, blocking it shouldn't pose you much of a chalenge, if it does, then i guess you maybe aren't someone who should balance heroes.

FINALLY ANOTHER SOUL who has faced grandmaster wardens.

[Nopegineer]

Originally posted by ۞Big J۞:

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

Have you ever faced a really good warden? I'm GM and I can tell you that warden is by far the turtliest and most safe hero in game, he is pure cancer because he never has to commit.
Raider is a lot less safe than warden, while consistently parrying his stunning tap is not easy, blocking it shouldn't pose you much of a chalenge, if it does, then i guess you maybe aren't someone who should balance heroes.

FINALLY ANOTHER SOUL who has faced grandmaster wardens.

I feel you, fighting those guys is a chore

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Nopegineer:

Originally posted by ۞Big J۞:

FINALLY ANOTHER SOUL who has faced grandmaster wardens.

I feel you, fighting those guys is a chore

They literally only do semi-charged bashes to see if you dodge or not and cancel it when they are risked to return to neutral, ik the way to counter them is poking but still its a BIG STAL that in gamemodes like 4s means you gonna get ganked since randoms are often useless.