2v1 in 2v2

[Rikito]

What do you guys think about the 'honor' in 2v2? Like not doing 2v1 and waiting until your enemy has killed your teammate. I do it but it's always a bit scary since your enemy might not do the same, should I just play it like it's meant to?

[Gaser]

*picks up honor code*

*walks to the window and open it*

*throws it out of the window*

In my opinion just do 2v1 the mode is called 2v2 and not 2x 1v1.

Actuall 2v2s are much more fun then “Honor” duels.

[Tax evasion]

Remember. It's for honor, not with honor.

[Robert Zerker]

Look at how AI bots behave (in player+AI vs AI) :

One could assume they 'play' the way the game is meant to be played...

- Duels : Bots will emote (borderlin spam) every single time they manage to kill you.
- Brawls : Both enemy bots will directly and firstly pick the shortest path leading to the player and focus on him/her.
- Every other modes : 'Friendly' Bots act as if you weren't there : interupting you left and right, turning you into a support role to them, when it should obviously be the other way arround.

I read somewhere a part of Bots' behavior is based on how players play... (No idea if this is true)


Now, back to 'honor' : Make your own choice. Deal with it.

Do you prefer victory at all cost or a virtual banner showing how good of a white knight you are ?

[The Faceless Man]

It isn't necessarily because of 'honor'. That's just the word people use to describe it.

In other melee fighting games that came before this one, if there was an elimination match going on, some people on the winning team would stop and let the last opponent on the other team 1v1 it out, to give them a sporting chance. It is referred to as "1v1 last man".

Some people call for it, some complain over it, but others like the pathetic and win-hungry Gaser are too desperate and obsessively gank while behaving like they won a fair fight while others just shake their heads and pity someone that petty.

It's not hard to believe that a lot of people aren't as invested in securing a win that badly. Some people are more interested in a quality fight more than they're interested in some pointless little number on their screen.

Obviously, nobody is obligated to follow those unspoken rules. That's where the 'honor' assumption comes in, because people are *choosing* on their own not to gank. It doesn't take much to chase after easy victories, it takes a lot more to hold back and wait for worthwhile ones. :)

[JKArtorias]

What you described is literally breaking the rules.

Allowing your teammate to die because you don't like how they play.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is honorable about that. I don't care about the honor rule, but i've always found it funny how the people who do. Literally admit and feel proud that they break the rules of the game. "My teammate didn't let them execute me so i let him get ganked, that'll show him haha!" So stupid.

If everyone agrees then fine go ahead and have your little tea party of a match. But the most fun this game has to offer in Brawls is when its a literal 2v2 with target switching and unlock attacks.

Not glorified 1v1s. You know why people have honor in 2v2s and do 1v1s? Cause they wanna show off there video game skills to other people. Not win.

[The Faceless Man]

Like I said. It is a *choice*. Your teammate has as much of a chance as you do, but if you want to win that badly, go ahead and gank.

There's no honor in complaining so myself and many others wouldn't stand in your way of your precious win count. But that really works both ways. You can't force us to change anymore than we can force you. This is how people are choosing to fight. Deal with it. B)

And while it is technically against the rules, I've never seen anyone banned for it. In a way they are avoiding feeding revenge, so that's already a grey area to be banning people over.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Lonerwurld:

Like I said. It is a *choice*. Your teammate has as much of a chance as you do, but if you want to win that badly, go ahead and gank.

There's no honor in complaining so myself and many others wouldn't stand in your way of your precious win count. But that really works both ways. You can't force us to change anymore than we can force you. This is how people are choosing to fight. Deal with it. B)

Its not my win count i care about. I'd rather have fun. Yes i did mention wins cause you're throwing the game by allowing someone to die cause again "You don't agree with my honor code so now you must get ganked while i sit here laughing, haha!" (You're meant to read it in a nerdy Shelldon sounding voice cause that's how i picture everyone who cares about honor) Don't get me wrong i like getting ganked its fun. But its not fun when the reason i'm being ganked is cause my teammate is butthurt over a fanmade rule that i'm not following.

I avoid Duels cause everyones so smelly in there. They'll turtle the ♥♥♥♥ out ya the moment they get down to 1 bar of health and the fight that just took you 1 minute to get there is gonna take you another 2 to finish them.

Brawls in glorified 1v1s because of people like you. I stopped playing Brawls because of people like you who are just like 1v1 players. Now i just play Dominion cause people don't really care enough to turtle for 2 minutes. Its great and there's feats if they do.

[The Faceless Man]

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Its not my win count i care about. I'd rather have fun. Yes i did mention wins cause you're throwing the game by allowing someone to die cause again "You don't agree with my honor code so now you must get ganked while i sit here laughing, haha!" (You're meant to read it in a nerdy Shelldon sounding voice cause that's how i picture everyone who cares about honor)

Yah so... That's just making my point for me. I definitely wouldn't want to degrade myself to having such a disturbed perception of people like that. :\

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Don't get me wrong i like getting ganked its fun. But its not fun when the reason i'm being ganked is cause my teammate is butthurt over a fanmade rule that i'm not following.

That's a completely different scenario. If you are the one being ganked, most people will stop 1v1s and help out.

But then I suspect you probably ganked, and as a consequence, the enemy team revenge-ganked you while your teammate just stood back and then the remaining 3 players would 1v1 it out. Well that's tough ♥♥♥♥ for you. You selfishly wanted to play your way when the majority of the match's participants weren't down for that. But if you like getting ganked, that shouldn't bother you. You can still try to do as much damage as you can to help your teammate out for his 1v1s.

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

I avoid Duels cause everyones so smelly in there. They'll turtle the ♥♥♥♥ out ya the moment they get down to 1 bar of health and the fight that just took you 1 minute to get there is gonna take you another 2 to finish them.

Okay, so you have a bias towards 1v1s. That explains why you don't like it. Doesn't mean others have to share that bias.

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Brawls in glorified 1v1s because of people like you. I stopped playing Brawls because of people like you who are just like 1v1 players. Now i just play Dominion cause people don't really care enough to turtle for 2 minutes. Its great and there's feats if they do.

Get a friend to join you in brawls and help you gank then. Nobody is stopping you.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Lonerwurld:

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Its not my win count i care about. I'd rather have fun. Yes i did mention wins cause you're throwing the game by allowing someone to die cause again "You don't agree with my honor code so now you must get ganked while i sit here laughing, haha!" (You're meant to read it in a nerdy Shelldon sounding voice cause that's how i picture everyone who cares about honor)

Yah so... That's just making my point for me. I definitely wouldn't want to degrade myself to having such a disturbed perception of people like that. :\

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Don't get me wrong i like getting ganked its fun. But its not fun when the reason i'm being ganked is cause my teammate is butthurt over a fanmade rule that i'm not following.

That's a completely different scenario. If you are the one being ganked, most people will stop 1v1s and help out.

But then I suspect you probably ganked, and as a consequence, the enemy team revenge-ganked you while your teammate just stood back and then the remaining 3 players would 1v1 it out. Well that's tough ♥♥♥♥ for you. You selfishly wanted to play your way when the majority of the match's participants weren't down for that.

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

I avoid Duels cause everyones so smelly in there. They'll turtle the ♥♥♥♥ out ya the moment they get down to 1 bar of health and the fight that just took you 1 minute to get there is gonna take you another 2 to finish them.

Okay, so you have a bias towards 1v1s. That explains why you don't like it. Doesn't mean others have to share that bias.

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

Brawls in glorified 1v1s because of people like you. I stopped playing Brawls because of people like you who are just like 1v1 players. Now i just play Dominion cause people don't really care enough to turtle for 2 minutes. Its great and there's feats if they do.

Get a friend to join you in brawls and help you gank then. Nobody is stopping you.

I don't like it when ya break the things up like that, lol.

My point was you're so proud of your honor that you won't get off your high horse and just ya know. Brawl.

Also selfishly? Yeah its a game. Like everyone else i care more about my fun than someone elses. We all play games for fun. To reiterate myself: I care more about my fun than yours and you care more about yours than mine. That's how this relationship works.

Yes i admit i am bias against 1v1s. I'm also bias against honor cause i've played this game since the beginning. I did play with friends in the past and the only times we had honor was when we were being BM. But i like playing by myself now. (That sounded wrong)

The OP was asking for our opinions on honor you gave yours and i gave mine. Lets not sit here arguing about honor. It obviously won't get anywhere since i think its against the rules, and you think its fine.

[The Faceless Man]

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

My point was you're so proud of your honor that you won't get off your high horse and just ya know. Brawl.

Nothing I have posted here has supported that viewpoint at all whatsoever. That is an extreme interpretation you have manifested all on your own.

I just simply prefer a quality fight. 1v1s and tag-team 2v2s are just more fun for me than ganking. I think that's the main reason why people do it.

The only "honor" part is how unspoken it is. Nobody organized any sort of "Honor" club. People are just choosing to do this. Sort of like how Birding is managed entirely on the "honor system".

[Viable_Golem4375]

Idgaf what we do in a brawl just make sure everyone agrees on it.

[BoodlyBoost]

Originally posted by Rikito:

What do you guys think about the 'honor' in 2v2? Like not doing 2v1 and waiting until your enemy has killed your teammate. I do it but it's always a bit scary since your enemy might not do the same, should I just play it like it's meant to?

It's called brawl, brawl it out.

[The Faceless Man]

Interesting... I found this year old reddit thread where they called it "Fight Club'ing":

https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/8377kw/ubisoft_please_do_something_about_fight_clubbing/

An Ubisoft rep replied to it:

I'm not sure how much can be done for this, but I'll definitely share your thoughts with the team. This is a discussion that comes up quite often so we're aware of the different playstyles out there.

What do you all make of that?

[Rikito]

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

What you described is literally breaking the rules.

Allowing your teammate to die because you don't like how they play.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is honorable about that. I don't care about the honor rule, but i've always found it funny how the people who do. Literally admit and feel proud that they break the rules of the game. "My teammate didn't let them execute me so i let him get ganked, that'll show him haha!" So stupid.

If everyone agrees then fine go ahead and have your little tea party of a match. But the most fun this game has to offer in Brawls is when its a literal 2v2 with target switching and unlock attacks.

Not glorified 1v1s. You know why people have honor in 2v2s and do 1v1s? Cause they wanna show off there video game skills to other people. Not win.

I didn't mean allowing my teammate to die because I don't like the way they play, I meant giving my mate and the enemy a fair 1v1.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Rikito:

Originally posted by God Of Conquest:

What you described is literally breaking the rules.

Allowing your teammate to die because you don't like how they play.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is honorable about that. I don't care about the honor rule, but i've always found it funny how the people who do. Literally admit and feel proud that they break the rules of the game. "My teammate didn't let them execute me so i let him get ganked, that'll show him haha!" So stupid.

If everyone agrees then fine go ahead and have your little tea party of a match. But the most fun this game has to offer in Brawls is when its a literal 2v2 with target switching and unlock attacks.

Not glorified 1v1s. You know why people have honor in 2v2s and do 1v1s? Cause they wanna show off there video game skills to other people. Not win.

I didn't mean allowing my teammate to die because I don't like the way they play, I meant giving my mate and the enemy a fair 1v1.

"fair 1v1"