Shaman IS OP

[MacaroniBurger]

If not, she is Very high A tier.


Her charge: There is absolutely NO reason for her to be able to feint it. Can shugoki feint his demons embrance? This makes her oos game incredible. Not only does it drain stamina, it also guarentees 2 light attacks or a heavy if near a wall. There is NO reason she should be able to wallsplat you with it.

Her dodge heavies: She is the only assassin who does not have predictable dodge attacks. She also has 2 kinds, her normal one doing 25 dmg. Why? Why 25 dmg? It also counts as a heavy, so I'm assuming you only get a gb off of it. Sorry raiders and shugokis, no light punish for you.

[KiraTheUnholy]

Varyag の投稿を引用：

Thats the point I played as the SHAMAN and against it the character which was certain death to me is the ARAMUSHA because I didnt play him yet but still the move set is alright what really maybe needs to go is healing on hits (wich makes no sence) and little just little lower health thats all

No offense but if an Aramusha is certain death to you as a Shaman you are not a good Shaman player.

[MacZeus]

Shaman is OK but not OP at all. (In duels, dont care about 4v4 mods)

[KiraTheUnholy]

Solenie の投稿を引用：

Shaman is OK but not OP at all. (In duels, dont care about 4v4 mods)

Yeah cause only the most balanced characters get banned from PC tournies.

[MacZeus]

KiraTheUnholy の投稿を引用：

Solenie の投稿を引用：

Shaman is OK but not OP at all. (In duels, dont care about 4v4 mods)

Yeah cause only the most balanced characters get banned from PC tournies.

if only thouse tourniers have any value to usual players.

[Trippy Drug]

Solenie の投稿を引用：

KiraTheUnholy の投稿を引用：

Yeah cause only the most balanced characters get banned from PC tournies.

if only thouse tourniers have any value to usual players.

The fact remains that if she was banned in a tournament that means she is too good.

[KiraTheUnholy]

Solenie の投稿を引用：

KiraTheUnholy の投稿を引用：

Yeah cause only the most balanced characters get banned from PC tournies.

if only thouse tourniers have any value to usual players.

That's how I feel about your opinion.

[Gromit]

KiraTheUnholy の投稿を引用：

That's how I feel about your opinion.

Savage

[AAA]

Emjay の投稿を引用：

All I can say is wait until she actually releases. At the moment this comment is basically the same as guessing the weather temperature based on what a rock looks like. Could be 10 degrees or it could be 30... who knows!

Celsius or Fahrenheit?

[Varyag]

Ok... after plenty of hours in the name of the science my personal list of characters which means certain death to the shaman :
1) Aramusha
2) Raider
3) Warlord/Highlander
4) Kensei

I mained all the vikings To Rep 5. All other characters to Rep 3. But still those means death to me as a Shaman and I see the point of healing after strike...
WHEN THE SHAMAN SEES BLOOD SHE ATTACK LIKE AN IDIOT YOU JUST NEED TO DODGE OR PARRY
I LITTERALLY TOOKOVER OF 3 SHAMANS AT ONCE BECAUSE THEY MADE ME BLEED ONCE THEY JUMP ON YOU AND MISS...kill.

[Anathema]

Varyag の投稿を引用：

Ok... after plenty of hours in the name of the science my personal list of characters which means certain death to the shaman :
1) Aramusha
2) Raider
3) Warlord/Highlander
4) Kensei

I mained all the vikings To Rep 5. All other characters to Rep 3. But still those means death to me as a Shaman and I see the point of healing after strike...
WHEN THE SHAMAN SEES BLOOD SHE ATTACK LIKE AN IDIOT YOU JUST NEED TO DODGE OR PARRY
I LITTERALLY TOOKOVER OF 3 SHAMANS AT ONCE BECAUSE THEY MADE ME BLEED ONCE THEY JUMP ON YOU AND MISS...kill.

She still has exceptions to rules that the other characters don't have - namely the following three (that I have encountered):
- Recovery times that are not in line with the rest of the cast, meaning she can resist the Guardbreak that can happen when she gets blocked by Conquerer (something to which Glad was brought into line with the rest of the classes. Uncertain about Aramusha on this one)
- Her zone attack and its ability to ignore the rules of Superior Block, which then can allow her to break your guard, feint into a bleed stab or do another zone attack (especially against Conquerer, which is passive Superior Block unless OOS).
- Her unblockable attack and the ability to swap attack direction AFTER the indicator flashes by feinting (e.g. she swings unblockable heavy from the right, hud flashes for me from the right, I swing to parry, she feints and cancels out my attack with a bleed stab). This one might be a bug, or it could be linked to the first point in that her recovery frames are very quick. I could try to dodge the unblockable, but why it is feintable AFTER the HUD flash is lost on me.

[Phosphorescence]

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CybermΩnk の投稿を引用：

For how feint based aramusha is though,he sure has little stamina.A character having such a feint based offense seems like a bad idea to me anyways,but why at least not give him a good amount of stamina so he can keep using his combos

I agree here with this, i feel like people are punishing shaman for her soft feint game, i think, from watching many videos on her, that she needs

-reduced health pool to like 100, maybe 90.

- tackle should not be feintable, considering if you miss you can go for a dash heavy, or straight into another tackle.

-reduced bite damage to like 1.5 bars maybe, or just have the ammount of hp that shaman heals to scale with how much the target is bleeding. So 1 bar of bleed regens 0.5 bar of hp of smth like that.

I like the damage scale idea.

Since Bleed in a all Sure fire way to knock out HP(barring Regen skills and revenge) over time the Bite should Basically Speed it up. Someone like a nobushi can Prime a target full of bleed and have a shaman come in for the kill. Taking out a large chunk of HP they were due to lose anyway. Like a reverse Demon Embrace.

And besides the tackle is easy to inturrupt so Unless you were alone or seperate form the team it would be foolish for shaman to attempt a bite in the middle of 1vX combat.

Also agree she should have a bit less hp, something equal to the other assassins(unless she already IS)

[Varyag]

She needs a little tweaks here and there and a better head variations cause she looks like an SJW addicted to heavy drugs and slaying patriarchy

[Axel]

I was playing LB and was absolutely flabagasted at how much health her bite did to me.

[Varyag]

ok... after hours playing with all the characters, my list of characters is the only characters who can fight her, even after the tweaks she is idioticly OP, I apologize.

[ThroneAlive]

CybermΩnk の投稿を引用：

Yeanaa の投稿を引用：

Stop posting wrong information please!
He gets a GB from every normal Heavy parry. (OOR heros like Lawbringer, Nobu etc are too far away)

His kick does Wallsplat. You get a Heavy attack of a parry. Yes, light and Heavy parry (execpt Conq and Kensei). You dont need to GB on every parry. And even if you Guardbreak, is throwing distance is good enought to get a wallsplat for a heavy anyways.

His Block stance is a bit faster then Nobus Hidden stance, so its useable. Yes ive played them. Yes ive had accses to play them. Yes Shaman is stronger.

No Aramusha isnt flawed, hes balanced. Even tho his Stamina pool is kinda small.

Depends on your definition of balanced.I heavily doubt he could have odds at his side when fighting a warlord or a pk or a glad etc.He seems about as powerful as highlander to me,maybe a bit more.
He gives me the impression of a hero who everyone will learn to counter a bit too well,and he will end up being garbage.His offense is only focused on feints and on one mediocre unblockable.How can you call that balanced?Shaman is not simply stronger,she seems WAY stronger.She has everything he has,and 10 more things to top it off

I don't necessarily agree. I use pk regularly and the 1v1 in Dom or Duel are pretty much 50/50. Because of the ability to feint those chains blocking is relatively difficult as is the switch up in timings for the dodge counter. I'm not bad for sure, I'm pretty good but I will say I play on PS4 (Kd 2. something W/L 65%). I tend not to spam and am very aggressive, I tend not to keep my range so that might be the issue, but the spaminess of the Ara is... frustrating. For a game that is often dictated by a spam exploit making a character who's gimmick is an infinite chain (definition of a spam) is irksome. He's a very good assassin/vanguard hybrid and in the right hands it's very powerful. His damage output is high on heavies and he does get guaranteed heavies and the chains are objectively deadly without an allguard. His own has excellent utility even from Glads and Centurions, if anything I would remove that but I probably don't know ♥♥♥♥ (^^)

Shaman is stronger than everyone I think, but a good Arumusha is a worthy foe for any class and any hero. I agree that he'll be learnt to ♥♥♥♥, but I don't think that will make him any less effective in the hands of a decent Aramusha player. I always respect an Aramusha until I've beaten them