Lawbringer really needs a buff/rework.

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He is genuinely horrible at opening up people. I would say bottom tier in this aspect.

Bashes? Even Conq's bash is a lot quicker than Lawbringer's bash. Relatively speaking, there is no reason you should get hit by a Lawbringer shove over a Conq shieldbash.

Quick attacks? Lawbringer has a top light with petty damage, that is pretty much it. At least Orochi gets a double top light that can finish enemies and he can also flicker his zone.

Heck, Shugoki might be worse, but Shugoki almost forces his enemies to gb him a couple of times to get rid of that hyperarmor, and that gives him some more opportunities to get damage in.



I recommend this rework:
-Lawbringer shove on block is COMPLETELY removed. It would make him less annoying to fight and promote usage of his parry followups.
-Lawbringer gets hyper armor on heavies, this would promote his role as a counter-attacker.
-Judge, jury, executioner combo gets the first light removed, and the guaranteed shove from "Ad mortem inimicus" gets included into the combo.

If reworking the combo takes too much work, you could also just make it so Lawbringer gets a shove off any heavy that connects, even if it is blocked.

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

Messaggio originale di Csx39:

That will just make fights last longer and he will still loose

LB can win easly.
it's your problem if you can't win with LB

Agreed, as evidenced by all the Lawbringers winning matches at top tier competitive play.

[LuNi]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

LB can win easly.
it's your problem if you can't win with LB

Agreed, as evidenced by all the Lawbringers winning matches at top tier competitive play.

Atleast he has been played. Poor Conqueror wasn't picked once.

[Sgt.Apples]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

LB can win easly.
it's your problem if you can't win with LB

Agreed, as evidenced by all the Lawbringers winning matches at top tier competitive play.

just some high level LB gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_egH2QjJQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0QH0BI9eo

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di LuNi:

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Agreed, as evidenced by all the Lawbringers winning matches at top tier competitive play.

Atleast he has been played. Poor Conqueror wasn't picked once.

Has he been? I didn't ever see him picked in the Hero Series, and haven't ever heard of him being used in a real tournament.

In the second or third week of the Hero Series qualifiers, Spliced actually lost to a Kensei. Of course, the Kensei proceeded to get obliterated in the second round by someone like Dimblaze playing Warlord or something.

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Agreed, as evidenced by all the Lawbringers winning matches at top tier competitive play.

just some high level LB gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_egH2QjJQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0QH0BI9eo

Unfortunately for Spliced, having a YouTube channel does not mean you're representative of top-tier competitive play.

Which isn't to say Spliced is bad, but he's not exactly competitive.

[Sgt.Apples]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Unfortunately for Spliced, having a YouTube channel does not mean you're representative of top-tier competitive play.

Which isn't to say Spliced is bad, but he's not exactly competitive.

i said high level LB gameplay, not competitive gameplay.

[Charlememe]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di LuNi:

Atleast he has been played. Poor Conqueror wasn't picked once.

Has he been? I didn't ever see him picked in the Hero Series, and haven't ever heard of him being used in a real tournament.

In the second or third week of the Hero Series qualifiers, Spliced actually lost to a Kensei. Of course, the Kensei proceeded to get obliterated in the second round by someone like Dimblaze playing Warlord or something.

Pretty sure there was a LB player in last season's. Also seen some in Scott Jund's tournaments. Just cos he ain't in tournaments doesn't mean he's low tier. He's not in the top 5 heroes, sure.

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Unfortunately for Spliced, having a YouTube channel does not mean you're representative of top-tier competitive play.

Which isn't to say Spliced is bad, but he's not exactly competitive.

i said high level LB gameplay, not competitive gameplay.

And I said top-tier competitive gameplay, to which you responded with whatever that was supposed to be.

I wish people would stop acting like high Rep = high level gameplay. The Warlord in the first fight of that first video was horrible, and Spliced (whom I genuinely do like unironically as a content creator and video maker) is at his best "pretty good". This is not even legitimate high-level play, let alone top-tier competitive play. If it was, nobody would have even picked Lawbringer to begin with.

[Rogat]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

just some high level LB gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_egH2QjJQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0QH0BI9eo

Unfortunately for Spliced, having a YouTube channel does not mean you're representative of top-tier competitive play.

Which isn't to say Spliced is bad, but he's not exactly competitive.

He is competitive in his mood but he isn't a try hard and he picks a character based on it's looks, not how good it actually is, although he does pick a competitive character in a tournament.

Based on the streams I've seen he does get worked up but he doesn't let it get the best of him.

Other than that I wouldn't classify him as "competitive" though.

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di The Senate:

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Has he been? I didn't ever see him picked in the Hero Series, and haven't ever heard of him being used in a real tournament.

In the second or third week of the Hero Series qualifiers, Spliced actually lost to a Kensei. Of course, the Kensei proceeded to get obliterated in the second round by someone like Dimblaze playing Warlord or something.

Pretty sure there was a LB player in last season's. Also seen some in Scott Jund's tournaments. Just cos he ain't in tournaments doesn't mean he's low tier. He's not in the top 5 heroes, sure.

If you're talking about the Season 2 premiere, then yeah, I remember a couple of LB selections. That was a no-stakes event where most of the participants weren't even really For Honor players. I remember Cartoonz playing LB, and I think Fatal-Feit might have. I feel like Petemoo and Sypher did a round each as LB as a way to show off that they could beat people even with bad heroes (they also each did a round with pre-buff Raider).

[Sgt.Apples]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di Sgt.Apples:

i said high level LB gameplay, not competitive gameplay.

And I said top-tier competitive gameplay, to which you responded with whatever that was supposed to be.

I wish people would stop acting like high Rep = high level gameplay. The Warlord in the first fight of that first video was horrible, and Spliced (whom I genuinely do like unironically as a content creator and video maker) is at his best "pretty good". This is not even legitimate high-level play, let alone top-tier competitive play. If it was, nobody would have even picked Lawbringer to begin with.

the problem is that you are using the word "competitive" in for honor, the game where "high level" consists of exploiting the game.


did you forgot about the season 3's launch tournament this fast ?

[Wallahluigi]

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Messaggio originale di LuNi:

Atleast he has been played. Poor Conqueror wasn't picked once.

Has he been? I didn't ever see him picked in the Hero Series, and haven't ever heard of him being used in a real tournament.

In the second or third week of the Hero Series qualifiers, Spliced actually lost to a Kensei. Of course, the Kensei proceeded to get obliterated in the second round by someone like Dimblaze playing Warlord or something.

I havent heard of many people being picked in a real tournament

[Saint Landwalker]

Messaggio originale di Caulin_26546:

Messaggio originale di Landwalker:

Has he been? I didn't ever see him picked in the Hero Series, and haven't ever heard of him being used in a real tournament.

In the second or third week of the Hero Series qualifiers, Spliced actually lost to a Kensei. Of course, the Kensei proceeded to get obliterated in the second round by someone like Dimblaze playing Warlord or something.

I havent heard of many people being picked in a real tournament

You would be correct. About the only real competitive picks are Warlord, PK, Raider, Centurion, and sometimes Shugoki (as a counter-pick). Mastery of glitch exploits bring Nobushi into the equation, but that's pretty much it.

[HotBurritoInColdRoom]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, close that conversation. LB is one of the top fighters in the game. He needs no bafff, especially for now. Give Kensei, PK, Orochi, Highlander, Nobushi their deserved buff/rework already.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Messaggio originale di HotBurritoInColdRoom:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, close that conversation. LB is one of the top fighters in the game. He needs no bafff, especially for now. Give Kensei, PK, Orochi, Highlander, Nobushi their deserved buff/rework already.

All the salt is speaking, you aren't giving an argument, you are giving an opinion.

Messaggio originale di Malleable Soul:

My reasoning is in the thread, what is your reasoning?

P.S. You want to give PK a buff? That makes no sense. She is picked a significant amount of times in tournaments.