6 New Hero's Speculation.

[Seiko300]

OKAY so this thread might as well be an informal essay on the history of the weaponry of vikings, knights, and samurai (at least based on how long it is) So at the very least skip to the very bottom to read my question to start off

So we all know they're coming, but as far as I know they will be coming over a long expanse of time, so for now, let the speculation begin.

Now let's start with these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0wgvz3_oPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjJXkOHV6H0

Of course there are other videos I could have linked, I do like this guy (that I just stumbled upon while doing some fan-search on for honor before the game released) and the way he presents. And also, apparently actually got a response from the dev team so more power to him.

Now that we are all caught up, there is speculation that these 6 new warriors are going to be a dedication to 6 random great warriors from history, however I don't believe this is the case, because it simply doesn't feel like something that would fit in the world of For Honor, simply because the world For Honor takes place in is considered a slightly different alternate timeline of our own world history. In this period of time as far as we know the only warriors that exist are the knights, vikings, and samurai. The lands beyond either non-existent, or non-explored a.k.a. meaning they don't really matter and as such foreign warriors wouldn't exist as playable classes. However the theory of 6 great warriors is backed up by the practical community confirmation (meaning this is something a large portion of the community believes, however there is no real factual evidence to back it up except for one image, but it's all we got) of 2 of the 6 classes being a roman centurion, and a Ninja (backed up by the fact that he is wielding a kama which was a weapon used by ninja of the time). So I could be wrong about dismissing the theory, but again it's all speculation.

On the off chance this theory is actually correct all that would be left is to simply guess, what great warriors the dev team will pick.

Spartan

Personally I would absolutely LOVE to see a Spartan warrior wielding his gigantic aspis / hoplon (shield) in one hand and his xiphos or Kopis in the other. The difference is that I don't see any character who uses a shield currently A.K.A. Conquerer or Warlord use his shield in a truly offensive manner. You can shield bash and TECHNICALLY you do attack with your shield during particular executions, however you can't actually attack with your shield to actually do damage which is something that warriors in ancient history WOULD actually do, using the edge of your shield to smash your opponent in the neck or face when you had nothing else to use would be a very deadly option to wield. And if a Spartan warrior were to be introduced to the game, I would love to see this used in effect because truly, a spartan without his shield would feel practically naked. If a Spartan could only pick one "weapon" or piece of equipment to bring with him in battle it WOULD be his shield, because of it's both offensive and defensive capabilities, And i'd love to see this explored in the game.

Afterthought: However, if a Roman centurion is to be released as a character the chances of also receiving a Spartan would be fairly slim, simply because of how "similar" they are. And yes, I hear you history buffs yelling their very clear differences at me but if a Great warriors "pack" were to be released, I would believe that they would be picking warriors with very clear distinctions, and no blurred lines. Romans and greeks are simply two civilizations that are widely considered to be extremely similar.

I don't want to take up too much time on great warriors throughout history, however other recommendations on my mind would be the Conquistadors utilizing their rapier with deadly precise attacks, and the Shaolin monks coming with a variety of cool weaponry, the Jian o (chinese straight sword) or Dao, (chinese saber) and my personal favorite, What is pretty accurately and popularly known as a Hook Sword, or "Twin Hooks" the name makes the weapon seem pretty self explanatory.

The speculation that our new 6 classes will be great warriors from history is a start, but like I said I believe the new classes will be simply that, new classes. Which makes it sound downgrading but it really isn't as the classes so far in For Honor are absolutely amazing, it's great to know they will be releasing more.

So while the history of the warriors themselves is great and all, in For Honor, what really makes the difference is the Weapon.

Weaponry

Knights:
For the knights there are an absolute bounty of weapons to choose from, the ones already used so far is the classic longsword, the flail, the pole-ax, and the more discreet what seems to be a shortsword-dagger combination. And while axes are considered the viking thing, (half of the viking classes wield axes so far) they were definitely weapons used by the Knights although they were crafted differently. A weapon such as the Battle axe would not be uncommon to find on the battlefield. Other possible weapons include the Mace, Morning star, and Warhammer these were used for crushing blows as plate armor became more and more common on the battlefield, and while the mace and warhammer might not have been able to penetrate through the armor itself (being blunt weapons) they would certainly make dents, and with enough force cause blunt force trauma, concussions, and even break bones, as a knight you would be protected from a LOT of things in plate armor, however when facing off against an opponent wielding one of these weapons, you definitely had to be careful. And while weapons such as falchions or basket-hilted swords were used, I don't believe the dev's would want swords to be the main focus for the knights, being a bit too stereotypical. More nuanced weapons such as the Glaive or Quarterstaff would be options for the second new character for the knights. I would much rather air on the side of the Quarterstaff however, simply because of how much more different it is compared to any other weapon in the game.

Vikings
I'll be honest, my knowledge of vikings is a bit limited. I was under the impression that vikings used cheap weaponry that they would steal from other lands after their own sieges. (Of course this stereotype was quickly dismissed after game theory was quickly berated for making this mistake and everyone immediately jumped the channel for it's mistake.) Minus a few of their own well crafted weaponry such as the Ulfberht. However I can't really recommend the sword considering it seems to already be implemented into the game, being the weapon of choice for the warlord. Being a double edged sword with a pretty recognizable guard and pommel. A knife wielding viking wouldn't be a bad idea, vikings did use their own knives known as the Seax, however a fight between a viking with two Seax's vs. either a Knight with a longsword or a Samurai with a friggin nodachi seems a bit unfair. I would recommend the viking receive one of the beginning weapons I stated for the knights that our new Knight(s) did not receive. If our new Knight was given the Morning Star, give the Viking a warhammer. I mean, it's the best I got, sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Samurai
The Samurai also did also have their own plethora of weapons just like the knights, however I would hazard to say that their arsenal to sum up to one word would be, unique. Again I'm going to stay away from swords simply because I don't believe there is much variation in Japanese swords at least not as much variation between the differences between the Katana and Nodachi / Odachi, the difference in my mind between these two swords is the most drastic falling at different ends of the spectrum, all other swords kinda just falling into the middle of the spectrum between those two with much more subtle differences. As before, it's likely we will receive the Kama which was essentially a sickle (farming tool) used by ninja of the time period. Alongside the kama is the Kusarigama which was pretty much a Kama, combined with a very long chain with weighted end(s) known as the manriki / kusari The Kusarigama would be held with the Kama with one hand and the Kusari with the other hand, having the benefits of utilizing both the blade of the Kama and the long chain with pretty much a metal ball or block on the end for some pretty devastating attacks. However the Kusari could also be used all by itself instead of having one weighted end, both ends would be weighted so either side could be used. There are loads of other weapons, but instead of giving detailed descriptions I'll simply name a few, the Ono - basically an axe similar to that of a lumberjack and used for the same purpose. Otsushi A giant battle hammer, also used as a battering ram. Nekote Sharp claw like weapons that fit over your hand / finger tips. Could also be dipped in poison.

So what Ancient warriors do you think are headed for For Honor or who would you like to see? Or maybe more importantly what weapons would you like to see them come with?

[Finiks]

A shinobi

[Seiko300]

Origineel geplaatst door Finiks:

A shinobi

I was thinking though in the original trailer for orochi, didn't they say "they move like shadows, with lore taken from the ninja clans" so it kinda feels like they are just making another character equivalent

[我他妈不说中文]

If Spartan existed no one would enjoy fighting me

[Crazyspartan]

Spartans would be a bit outside the timeline... but then again...

*looks at current historical accuracy of game*

*shrugs* Okay.

[Seiko300]

Origineel geplaatst door Zero Foxtrot:

Spartans would be a bit outside the timeline... but then again...

*looks at current historical accuracy of game*

*shrugs* Okay.

Well the game itself is okay in terms of historically accuracy, just listen to skallagrim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eToVS3ST4WU
The difference is, is it doesn't HAVE to be completely historically accurate, simply because it exists on an an alternate timeline.

For example Knights and Vikings and Samurai would never meet for battle. But they would in this universe

As Skall puts it "there's a difference between realism and historical accuracy it's not the same, realism just means what you see in the game could potentially happen in real life. ... Is it historically accurate? Partially.."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrcDzBr8fN8

(the first video he references in the beginning of this video is not the same as the first one I put above)

[TwoArmedMan]

no idea, some sort of assassin type character would make sense for the samurai, as for vikings.. Shield maiden maybe? and as for knights.. gladiator, that utilizes round shield and a broadsword, or maybe a legionnaire with a spear and a tower shield. who knows.

[Seiko300]

Origineel geplaatst door TwoArmedMan:

no idea, some sort of assassin type character would make sense for the samurai, as for vikings.. Shield maiden maybe? and as for knights.. gladiator, that utilizes round shield and a broadsword, or maybe a legionnaire with a spear and a tower shield. who knows.

Tower shield would be cool, but seems like it would be OP in a way, not sure :P

[Saint Landwalker]

I'm going to be honest, I didn't read that wall of text. But here are my thoughts. Some factions have more than two thoughts, even though each faction is (presumably) only getting two new heroes:

1. Knights
   
   • Centurion, obviously. Probably something like a scutum and a gladius, although I'm hoping they give him some sort of spear or pilum instead. I'd like to see him use the shield offensively a lot.
     
     
   • Fencer, maybe. A rapier-based, high-mobility counterattacker specialist. Yes, I know that rapiers are outside the so-called 'timeline'. No, the timeline doesn't matter. Maybe give 'em a buckler (a main-gauche would be too similar to the Peacekeeper), or if you really want to get interesting, have them use a cloak in their off-hand.
     
     
   • Yeoman. On the lighter side, armor-wise. Fights with either a billhook or a quarterstaff. Basically a cross between the Nobushi and the Lawbringer.
   
   
2. Vikings
   
   • Gothi or Thane. A Gothi is an old Norse priest or chieftain. A thane is, well, a thane. Either way, I'm thinking they're fighting with a large hammer, a la Thor himself. Knock some fools around.
     
     
   • Huscarl. Heavily armored in lots of mail. Perhaps uses a one-handed battle axe and a shield (the Bayeaux Tapestry seemed to like kite shields).
   
   
3. Samurai
   
   • Kusarigama-Dude. We pretty much already know this is coming. Should be interesting. It would be neat to see him use the chain to entangle and trip people.
     
     
   • Ronin. I dunno. A medium-armored guy dual-wielding a katana and a wakizashi. Too similar to the peacekeeper? Maybe.
     
     
   • Straight-up, Unabashed Ninja. Please no.

[alrik1119]

I want celtic and gaelic Barbarians added into For Honor officially somehow this year!

[Seiko300]

Origineel geplaatst door Landwalker04:

• Straight-up, Unabashed Ninja. Please no.

NAAARUUUUTOOOOOOOO
SAASSSUKKEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Origineel geplaatst door Landwalker04:

I'm going to be honest, I didn't read that wall of text. But here are my thoughts. Some factions have more than two thoughts, even though each faction is (presumably) only getting two new heroes:

1. Knights
   
   • Centurion, obviously. Probably something like a scutum and a gladius, although I'm hoping they give him some sort of spear or pilum instead. I'd like to see him use the shield offensively a lot.
     
     
   • Fencer, maybe. A rapier-based, high-mobility counterattacker specialist. Yes, I know that rapiers are outside the so-called 'timeline'. No, the timeline doesn't matter. Maybe give 'em a buckler (a main-gauche would be too similar to the Peacekeeper), or if you really want to get interesting, have them use a cloak in their off-hand.
     
     
   • Yeoman. On the lighter side, armor-wise. Fights with either a billhook or a quarterstaff. Basically a cross between the Nobushi and the Lawbringer.
   
   
2. Vikings
   
   • Gothi or Thane. A Gothi is an old Norse priest or chieftain. A thane is, well, a thane. Either way, I'm thinking they're fighting with a large hammer, a la Thor himself. Knock some fools around.
     
     
   • Huscarl. Heavily armored in lots of mail. Perhaps uses a one-handed battle axe and a shield (the Bayeaux Tapestry seemed to like kite shields).
   
   
3. Samurai
   
   • Kusarigama-Dude. We pretty much already know this is coming. Should be interesting. It would be neat to see him use the chain to entangle and trip people.
     
     
   • Ronin. I dunno. A medium-armored guy dual-wielding a katana and a wakizashi. Too similar to the peacekeeper? Maybe.
     
     
   • Straight-up, Unabashed Ninja. Please no.

But some nice ideas, although I don't think ronin would use a katana and wakizashi at the same time, considering katana is a two handed sword, also we already have a katana wielding orochi anyway.... Don't need another one of those....

Centurions aren't exactly knights, but then again the community has practically already confirmed it amongst themselves that a centurion and Kama / Kusarigama wielding samurai will be coming. And now that I think about it, knights actually kinda evolved after Rome fell... So maybe it could work iunno.

Yeoman sounds cool, like I said in the thread itself, someone with a quarterstaff or Glaive would be welcome amongst the knights. (But preferably quarterstaff because it's more unique [and less like the naginata])

And I didn't even think about A viking wielding a hammer. Obviously Thor wields one in norse mythology so I guess in norse mythology it was a thing, but did they really use hammers like that in actual battle? Not so sure..

Although I really don't know what a Viking should actually wield from here on out. I'd be nice if the dev team branched off away from axes (despite being renowned to wield them) and yet we already have a character wielding an ulfberht, and a spear. So i'm kinda out of ideas for the vikings...