Any thoughts on nobushi?

[Mister Sir]

This is just me pondering, no need to get offended for anyone and you are free to argue your own point of view, but is nobushi a little too bs right now? I don't mean you can't beat her but just as hero over all.

She has long range and high dmg, on top of that she also got dot, which really puts her to highest dmg dealer tier. Her attacks are crazy fast, nearly peacemaker lvl, now you see how for the range and dmg she has already, this seem a little too absurd.

Then we can move on to defenses. Sprint is good, blocks stay up, range is great, and quite large hp pull. I watched her nearly kill orochi in few hits, talking 3 hits here. While orochi landed well over 5 on her. Before you talk about her hits being heavy, well, they sure came out as fast as lights. And this is another point, her attacks are very fast, but it also plays in with her switching to top attacks from side attacks in instant. I mean over all, this is too much for one character.

With orochi the moves are very telegraphed and he lacks hp. With lawbringer you are slow and lack stamina, with warlord you lack chains that are not defensive start, and so on. Everyone in game got some serious weaknesses while nobushi just feels like very balant joker card. Not perfect of couse but in my opinion got too much going for her.

[JBM]

Agent Chieftain님이 먼저 게시:

Nihil님이 먼저 게시:

It's not the case for anyone against the conq? I mean, i'm a noob with conqueror, but if you read your opponents and start an heavy attack just before he hits you, you can use your shield to block and counterattacks immediately with heavy one to hit.

In this case, it's not a free heavy hit?

I'm aware of the thing you're talking about. I'm saying that Nobushi can be punished even without that counterattack. Certain moves on other Heroes become more unsafe and punishable when blocked by a shield. I'm saying that Nobushi seems to have more moves vulnerable to this than most.

That, or it's just a coincidence that every Nobushi I've ever fought can't block for crap.

She has very bad recovery frames + very slow guard speed + she staggers a lot. That combined can make for scenarios you described. Conqueror can't MECHANICALLY make Nobushi unable to block (assassins can), but overall nobushi has problems with keeping up with blocking and parrying. So, even if players were decent, statistically they can mess up their defense. Similar thing with raider, but raider doesn't stagger that much (raider has plethora of other problems, though).

[JBM]

Raiden님이 먼저 게시:

Nobushi is not op like totlay wrong hight dmg orochi for exemple .

If you try to combo at good player probably you are dead ... and you not have a lamer combo like all othe class ... i think nobu need to be buff :)

acrualy you need to be 4 time better player than you opponent for win a duel

I wouldn't go as far as you, but let's say you can't make any mistakes and you have to rely on defense, which nobushi is bad at. Which creates kind of a design problem.
She doesn't have any ability to "spam", her lights are slow as hell so she can't initiate, and she needs to keep her distance and she can't block against assassins.

[Рафнсвартр]

love to deflect this ♥♥♥♥♥ and finish it quick.

[エキノックス・Equinox]

Mh i haven't read every post here but that's my opinion about nobushi.

Ppl think he is very fast attacking, and that correct and wrong at the same time, she have very fast combo who are garantee to connect. But this is for the 2nd and 3th hit of his light combo.
She also have the side light and side heavy when you dodge who are kind of fast. This attacks are predictable, it's like the viper strike who allways come from the top. Nobushi is very predictable as soon as you stop looking at the red indicator, look at the character if you understant his movement, you will understand how to block/parry his attack. Nobushi attack can't switch side like PK and they are not that fast.

Playing against nobushi is very different than other character. And it's right against middle or bad player nobushi is god tier.

Nobushi attack speed is very slow and the cancel of his recover are not really good.

The damages are good, only if you apply the poison, without the poison they are really weak.

[Raidden]

Nobushi's bleed mechanic is completely fake and a gimic. She only has high damage when she is attacking someone she proc'ed bleed onto. This means that if you know how to block any of her slow attacks, then she does the least amount of damage in the game.

[JBM]

Ppl think he is very fast attacking, and that correct and wrong at the same time, she have very fast combo who are garantee to connect. But this is for the 2nd and 3th hit of his light combo.

Yeah, it seems a lot of people confuse attacks that are part of a combo for regular attacks and think she has quick attacks.

[Raidden]

Think of it this way: Warden's side attacks are faster then her's

[Emphasized]

Vicious님이 먼저 게시:

I know that there ways to counter her with some heroes but thats not the point. Just over all she is too strong in more than one way, thats my opinion. I mean dmg, hp, reach, speed, dot, and easy to use comparing to other hybrids, is a little too much for one character, and I did not even list all of the advantages she has.

Shes good against players with lower exerience, certainly, but in order to use her correctly i found her to be extremely hard. When you come up against someone who parries you, sidesteps or even just simply knows your moves, you have to feint and try to do some sexy ♥♥♥♥ with nobushi, because besides light spam shes extremely slow with her sideste attack and heavies. Besides, if you get hit by 2 heavies as a nobushi, you are pretty much dead. I couldnt help but notice that the higher lvl ppl i played, the fewer nobushis i saw, to the point where i didnt see any and got curious enough to try her out? I think shes a good char to get started on, but against good opponents, shes extremely tricky to play.

[Zaum]

nob needs an attack speed buff or stamina buff. she is bad vs good players.

[JBM]

CanIbiteYou?님이 먼저 게시:

nob needs an attack speed buff or stamina buff. she is bad vs good players.

I don't think she needs stamina, her stamina spending is actually low, at least from my experience. She could use a light attack speed or at least frame reshuffling.
Either that or some mix up mechanics.

[LiDDeRz]

I played 50 hours on her and she is easily countered as soon as you are close. The people who know how to deal with me can easily if i slip up.

Her attacks are not fast when your close. I don;t feel particularly OP compared to some of my mates who are spamming the easier classes but I do find a lot of new players have no idea how to deal with me.

Overall she can be punished very easily and once she makes 1 mistake its usually run for your life or die.

[OakenWall]

i eat nobushi for breakfast with my berserk and im no even that good. Some classes with no gap closer will have a bad time though, no chance with raider, but hes bottom tier anyway

[Emphasized]

Doolio님이 먼저 게시:

CanIbiteYou?님이 먼저 게시:

nob needs an attack speed buff or stamina buff. she is bad vs good players.

I don't think she needs stamina, her stamina spending is actually low, at least from my experience. She could use a light attack speed or at least frame reshuffling.
Either that or some mix up mechanics.

in my exp when you start feinting into hidden stance she starts using suite some stam :/

[Zaum]

yes hidden stance is the most interesting mechanic about her but its barely useable because of stamina consumption, the presure good players will give nob just dont allow u to waste stam.

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

If you nerf Nobushi she will be underpowered she's already one of the weaker classes in the game. The op just has a lack of game experience and thinks Nob is op because of her DoT and light attacks.

The superpower 6 in this game is the assassins, Warlord, Conq, and Warden. The other 6 classes are weaker than those 6.


Hidden stance is absolutely, completely useless you people must not play Nobushi. It's a joke. All it does is leave you open to a light attack from the quicker classes.

Compare hidden stance to shield stance....I rest my case there's no comparison as to which is better.

Balance the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.