Teaming, Ganging, 2v1, 3v1, 4v1 etc

[MisterJaye]

Frankly the game is designed for 1v1 combat, everything about it is designed for that. Even the concept FOR HONOUR envokes the honour between enemies. People who team, gang, whatever you want to call it are ruining the game. 2v1, 3v1 4v1 are never acceptable and people SHOULD be called out on it.

I know I'm not alone in this so whats the solution?

I figure INSANE BUFFS and NERFS for outgoing and incoming damage respectivley when in combat with more than one person.

The game is called FOR HONOUR folks, c'mon.

[Jones]

Quaoid a écrit :

Que for 1v1s. Boom. Problem solved.

W-wha, whoah dude slow down, its too hard to understand.

[Luna]

MisterJaye a écrit :

Frankly the game is designed for 1v1 combat, everything about it is designed for that. Even the concept FOR HONOUR envokes the honour between enemies. People who team, gang, whatever you want to call it are ruining the game. 2v1, 3v1 4v1 are never acceptable and people SHOULD be called out on it.

I know I'm not alone in this so whats the solution?

I figure INSANE BUFFS and NERFS for outgoing and incoming damage respectivley when in combat with more than one person.

The game is called FOR HONOUR folks, c'mon.

I didn't read all the comments but to sum this up.

The game gives you some form of boost when being ganged and honestly I prefer being 2 v 1ed and ganged since it makes it more exciting.
It sort of tests me in defending as much as I can into using revenge at the right moment to kill a few. Moments like these are the only thrill in the 4 v 4 modes imo,

I only hate it when I get shot by all the feats in these modes since usually if you prove to your enemies that you can hold off multiple foes they resort to usually just shooting yo uwith arrows

*althoug I hate it when their a team of conqs / lawbrings since they can infinitely stun you.

[Vendetta]

If you enter multiple vs multiple on a map that allows players to group and fight as they see fit, then that mode is working as intended.

[Stormsoul]

The game is ABSOLUTELY NOT geared around 1v1 combat. Have you noticed how slow and defensive 1v1 is? the reason for that is because they made defensive options disprortionately powerful compared to offense to facilitate outnumbered fighting, giving the outnumbered party a chance. Dominion is the primary game mode, not duels.

2v1 is absolutely winnable and something I regularly come out on top of. 3v1 and 4v1 is survivable, but probably not winnable. you can stall on a point for a long time though.

[gipsydog]

Stormsoul a écrit :

The game is ABSOLUTELY NOT geared around 1v1 combat. Have you noticed how slow and defensive 1v1 is? the reason for that is because they made defensive options disprortionately powerful compared to offense to facilitate outnumbered fighting, giving the outnumbered party a chance. Dominion is the primary game mode, not duels.

2v1 is absolutely winnable and something I regularly come out on top of. 3v1 and 4v1 is survivable, but probably not winnable. you can stall on a point for a long time though.

you can spin to win Mr. Garen

[Coffeecool]

i prefer 2v1 FFM

[JBM]

I will read some of the excerpts from the actual game. So we can see how the game is designed for 1v1.

vanguard renown gain:
"earn more renown in outnumbered fights....."

Surely a typo, eh?

heavy:
"earn more renown by assisting and helping heroes...."

Again, strangely odd wording for a 1v1 game. It almost makes you believe that running displacement all heavy characters possess is designed for peeling! But that can't be the case, right?

Assassin:
"earn more renown in 1v1 fights...."

It almost looks like different classes play differently and are DESIGNED for different roles. It's also pretty strange to point out assassins should engage in 1v1 fights - how so when everyone should engage in 1v1 fights?



Ok, let's try google "for honor guide" and see the first result. Let's read a bit through general tips.

"Try to force 2v1 and 3v1 situations, going into areas controlled by the other team with multiple members of your team to ambush them."

"If you're outnumbered, run away and find your teammates to avoid dying."


But ok, they can be biased. Let's see what do we have on OFFICIAL GAME PAGE. We have video guides. There are two with interesting titles:
"team strategy"
"outnumbered combat tactics"
Also, you might take a look at any of about dozen videos and see what does the OFFICIAL PRESENTATION OF GAMEPLAY looks like. And you will see xv1, you will see ladder slide kills, you will see environmental kills, you will see tips on how to successfully outnumber the enemy in order to maintain advantage and so on.
All that on official For Honor page.


Lastly, if you somehow think it's honorable to not help your teammate, your brother in arms, your comrade, on the field of battle... I don't know what to say.
Also, I am expecting you to honor your code in every other pvp multiplayer experience such as basketball, dota, overwatch, quake, handball and pretty much any team pvp activity. Let me know how it went and did people praise you for ignoring advantages in matches.

[Shrapnel]

If it wasnt supposed to happen the the devs would have walled you all off in your 4v4s wouldnt they? Its valid

[JBM]

Shrapnel a écrit :

If it wasnt supposed to happen the the devs would have walled you all off in your 4v4s wouldnt they? Its valid

You are giving him too much room by stating it's "valid". I mean, you are right of course, but you know what I mean. Really, go through the tips in game, go to the official page, browse the guides and tips section etc.
It's not "valid" it's how you are supposed to do it.
By saying it's merely valid, it feels like it needs some justification, like it's some practice which isn't exactly illegal but you know, it's a bit shady and bad. While the game itself is designing heroes, maps and modes around team play, different asymmetric values with different classes etc.

[Saint Landwalker]

Doolio a écrit :

It's not "valid" it's how you are supposed to do it.

It's not how you're "supposed" to do it, it's just one option of how to do it. It is as equally valid as playing "honorably." Each player is welcome to make that decision for themselves.

[Shrapnel]

Doolio a écrit :

Shrapnel a écrit :

If it wasnt supposed to happen the the devs would have walled you all off in your 4v4s wouldnt they? Its valid

You are giving him too much room by stating it's "valid". I mean, you are right of course, but you know what I mean. Really, go through the tips in game, go to the official page, browse the guides and tips section etc.
It's not "valid" it's how you are supposed to do it.

well now you're going to the other extreme
he's saying get rid of it, you're saying this is how it should be
Im just saying its not cheating and if its not what the devs intended. Im sure they would have made the changes during development (ok maybe Im not sure, Im just saying its valid :)

Its like people raging over the environmental hazards, is something you have to deal with and be mindful of is all

[Kekbar]

I dont understand why people complain about 2/3/4v1's The only time i see them is in dominion which everyone seems to be brain dead in anyway which means that i can easily 2v1 and if im patient i can even 3 or 4 v1. if you want honor in your fights play 1v1's or 2v2's. Although alot of people complaim about the huge skill gap between people who play dominion and those who play 1v1's.

[JBM]

Landwalker04 a écrit :

Doolio a écrit :

It's not "valid" it's how you are supposed to do it.

It's not how you're "supposed" to do it, it's just one option of how to do it. It is as equally valid as playing "honorably." Each player is welcome to make that decision for themselves.

But it isn't. By not doing it you are hindering your team's performance. This is a vs game. I mean, sure, we can discuss nuances, but really, try not taking advantage of 2v1 in basketball and see yourself taken out of the court - even the most laid back neighborhood dad court. Try telling them that's how you play basketball and how it's not against the rules.
Is it against the rules to be passive and not seize the opportunities to create an advantage to your team using legal tactics? I don't know, devs would have to say that. But, judging by 100% of other games and vs activities, that behavior is actually punishable.
Now, in custom games? Knock yourself out.
in 1v1? also, do what you want.

You can't say that not playing defense because you are a third wheel among 1 opponent and 1 teammate is a matter of choice. I mean, everything is a matter of choice, but you know what I'm saying. It's not against the rules either. But you won't do it and if you do it, you will soon run out of people to play that sport with, whichever sport that is.

well now you're going to the other extreme
he's saying get rid of it, you're saying this is how it should be
Im just saying its not cheating and if its not what the devs intended. Im sure they would have made the changes during development (ok maybe Im not sure, Im just saying its valid :)

I am, because the game tells you to. Because in every other pvp team-based activity/game such behavior is actually bannable.
Are we really going to go into the discussion about how the game is titled and what the game's skin is and whatnot? I know you know better.

Look, guys, both of you. Please think for a second and imagine if we are talking about some other, more tangible, arbitrary rule. Let's say I have an arbitrary rule of not capping in dominion because this game is about fighting dammit and not capping like a girl or something like that. So you see me standing in the center of the map, refusing to go onto any point, not even killing minions, but waiting for honorable duels. Enemies ignore me, since I am not doing anything of strategic importance and we are losing. I have 7 points, each of you has 230 and I am just standing there.
It's the same principle, is it not?

[Gearhart]

lol at OP and anyone else who thought you were gonna strictly fight 1v1 game is all about who can do the gang bang best and win.

[Stein]

if u want duel - play duel mode.