Shugoki is annoying (Overpowered)

[dex]

Why do you have a whole combat system set up for this game, when that character completely disregards it?

This seems to happen with every popular game recently...
When its well established or known how the game works the developers always think "Oh what if we do the complete opposite of what we were doing before?"

I'm not complaining that the character is overpowered in any way shape or form, it just seems like that kind of abilities just doesnt fit in a game like this. <-- Nevermind he is OP.

[G-Rank Hunter]

I find shugoki besides his bugs to be alongside the kensei. Neither of them are really good or really bad, they are 2 of the most well-balanced characters in the game. Shugo yes can hit you through a *stun* or an attack that is too slow to recover from to block, but maybe... just maybe play around it and take the armor off then proceded your attack and try and keep the armor off the rest of the fight, because it doesn't regen if he stays hit or GB-ed.

He's basically the equivalent of a blast character in a hand-to-hand fighting game.

Also GB whether he counters or not removes armor.

Granted as the OP said, he can seem rather overpowered if you are new, but learning the mechanics of your character can change that to a balanced fight or a slaughterfest.

[GrayHound]

Yeah, he is OP but I've never met a good one so it's fine. As for the OP part:

• Eat an attack -> you get a free GB
  
• People trying to spam GB to remove your hyperarmor (I do this myself) -> spam light attacks
  
• GB at critical health -> you win
  
• Opponent out of stamina -> 1/2 health hit
  
• Opponent in a narrow space -> charge -> either gets cliffed or falls and gets charge-heavied
  
• Undeniably utterly OP when ganking

[Venttex]

Shugoki isn't too hard to play against, esepcially for faster assassin type characters. I will break it down for you.

Hyper armor: Always remember he has hyper armor, but it does come off after 1 hit or a grab. If you hit him, either attack again quicker than he can to interrupt his attack or dodge/block/parry the attack. Its better to either play super offensively with a quick character, or slightly defensively if a slower to lessen the advantage of this ability.

Grab/bat: If he grabs you to baseball bat you, you can counterguard break. Any character will punish you if guard broke so this is irrelevant to complain about. It would only be maybe slightly overpowered if he could decide which direction you get hit in, but he cannot.

Demon's Embrace: One of the most complained about moves, but the easiest to avoid. If 1v1, the only way he can land is if you get outplayed or he grabs and throws you into a wall or knocks you down due to no stamina - again, you were outplayed. In team modes, it is rough to avoid if getting teamed, but so is anything if getting teamed.
*Hint* A move I like to do is run away at critical health until I see hyper armor come back up. Then I will turn on the enemy, they will get 1 hit off, and I will land the embrace for an instant kill. Always be wary of a fleeing critical Shugoki if alone.

Unblockables: Either get good at parrying or dodge. These are your options and very easy to do. It takes a few seconds for Shugoki to fully charge his unblockable so, again, unless you are getting teamed, you got outplayed if you got hit. If you see him charging it, going in to attack him is just foolhardy.

Oni Charge: If a Shugoki is running, even slightly, even in a circle, beware of an Oni Charge. Literally, one of the easiest moves to avoid. Just step out of the way. Also avoid ledges. The charge will send you flying off.

[Ryuz4ki]

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Fantastic use of the English language.

i know right like eveyone live in usa.

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[Saint Landwalker]

Venttex eredeti hozzászólása:

* snip *

Basically. There are ways for an aware Shugoki player to get around some of the counters (e.g. mixing in a GB instead of an Oni Charge), but by and large a Shugoki is pretty straight-forward to deal with once you get used to dealing with him. The only truly challenging thing about him is that fighting a Shugoki is completely different from fighting any other character in the game—I think that's the source of a lot of people's complaints about him being OP or cheesy, rather than him being legitimately OP (which I don't consider him to be). You can't just go flying in there with the same tactics you would use against a Valkyrie or Warden or something and expect to have a good day.

[Ralphasaurus]

I'm with you on this. his move set does seem to ignore some rules which makes him kinda awkward when placed among other characters. Which can be cool. It does switch things up a bit.

Only thing I'd say is a bit OP is his ability to throw you off things is insane. The grab then slap with his club sends you flying off cliffs a throw couldn't reach and his charge pushes you a crazy amount to the side.

Aside from that i kinda like him. he's fun to play as and he's fun to face.

[Saint Landwalker]

NumericDyslexic eredeti hozzászólása:

Only thing I'd say is a bit OP is his ability to throw you off things is insane. The grab then slap with his club sends you flying off cliffs a throw couldn't reach and his charge pushes you a crazy amount to the side.

That's an awfully limited ability for ledging, though (but my God the amount of salt you get when it happens...). Compared to the Ledgelord, the Shugoki can't "aim" Demon Ball, so he needs the shot to already be lined up when he grabs you.

[Dr. Gravy]

Honestly, my Orochi is tired of raping Shugokis. Just like my Peacekeeper. The faster you are against the fat guy, the easier it gets. Now, if you want a nonsense meddling of your str against his, though... Then you probably have a mental disability and I think you should quit this game. Just saying. (NAH, just kidding, go learn Valk or another hybrid maybe? Should help you in learning how to stay away from his range, and how to D O G D E).

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

I don't see how Shoguki can beat any of the faster classes if the person knows what they're doing. I would love to get better with him just to destroy some Warlords or something tho

[Saint Landwalker]

MOSS-BurningUp eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't see how Shoguki can beat any of the faster classes if the person knows what they're doing.

If the fast class player knows what they're doing, the Shugoki is going to have an extraordinarily hard time. Fortunately for us Shugoki mains, not many of them really know what they're doing. They just know "WOO FLOAT LIKE A BUTTERFLY LIGHT ATTACK LIKE A MACHINE GUN #YOLO"

[Blunt Cabbage]

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I completely agree, the stun oriented heroes are near useless against him, and the only way to counter him seems to be warden or an assassin. This is ridiculous, a hit should cancel the opponents attack right? Well not with Shugoki, he can swing all day unless you get a lucky stun. The one swing unblockable is ridiculous too. Unblockables should be a result of a long combo, resulting in a final strike, not a first blow. He renders most charge moves obsolete as well. And the back breaker and the *BONK* moves are ridiculous. He changes too much and goes too far against the combat system we have. He renders most heroes aside from quick attackers as pointless, this needs to be fixed.

I have to assume that this was intended as some sort of satire, right? Tone doesn't translate as well during text sometimes, so I like to make sure.

If you would like, please elaborate, sadly this seems to be a problem in this Steam community due to my past experiences.

[Saint Landwalker]

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Landwalker04 eredeti hozzászólása:

I have to assume that this was intended as some sort of satire, right? Tone doesn't translate as well during text sometimes, so I like to make sure.

If you would like, please elaborate, sadly this seems to be a problem in this Steam community due to my past experiences.

I had a whole, itemized response drafted up via the Steam overlay in-game... and then I mindlessly Alt-F4'd because I was done playing for the night, and lost the whole post.

It's late, so I'll try again tomorrow. The gist of it, though, is "Shugoki requires adapting your approach, just like everyone else does, and paying attention to what you're fighting instead of treating him just like Joe Schmoe Kensei makes a lot of his supposedly OP/broken characteristics not that bad, and less of a consistent threat than those of a number of other characters."

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

he can Guarbreak through attacks people, GUARDRBREAK THROUGH ATTACKS.

*flips table*

*walks into neighbors house*

GUARBREAK THROUGH ATTACKS *flips neighbor's table*

[Smug Kot]

New shugoki outfit look sicks anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsNuODD54g

Avir eredeti hozzászólása:

he can Guarbreak through attacks people, GUARDRBREAK THROUGH ATTACKS.

*flips table*

*walks into neighbors house*

GUARBREAK THROUGH ATTACKS *flips neighbor's table*

Hug him first ? he lose the hyper armor even if yo grab its countered.

[Death Metal]

If you want tips on how to fight a Shugoki, then I'll lend you some.

Firstly, play around his armor. Without it, he can be easily wittled down if you can land the hits. A smart Goki will want to keep his enemies at bay when his armor is down, so don't let him breathe. Any char can beat a Shugoki if played around this, even other Gokis.

Don't go for leap attacks too often, save them for when you really need it. I've had way too many PKs, Warlords, Berserkers, Raiders, and Valks jump at me one too many times and end up getting hugged.

Demon Embrace is like, the easiest thing to dodge. If you keep a little bit of distance between you both, it's the easiest to dodge move in the game. A good Goki will be looking to throw you into a wall so he can go for the hug.

Charge attacks...I've only ever landed against noobies, people who weren't paying attention, or people who tried to parry too early. They're easily parryable to the point that I've done it on accident on a few occasions.

The running charge...honestly you can Guard Break it if you dodge in time. I've literally had multiple players dodge and GB me off a cliff.

Finally, let HIM make the first moves. If he goes for an attack and misses, beat on him. If he misses a hug, kill him. If he has no stamina, get in there and end him.

I play my Goki around predicting my enemy. It's how I usually win and lose fights.