PAY TO WIN?

[TrenchCowboy]

I really get tired of people saying its pay to win and nothing but spammers....so I made this video....I have been recking spammers too....

https://youtu.be/_7Abe4Kvrnc

[Luther]

I don't have the game but are you able to unlock new moves using currency? If thats a yes then definitly pay to win.

[TrenchCowboy]

Originally posted by Luther:

I don't have the game but are you able to unlock new moves using currency? If thats a yes then definitly play to win.

The new moves are only finishing moves, celebrations, and things like that.....Nothing that effects actual play..Good comment though.

[Cruna]

Originally posted by Luther:

I don't have the game but are you able to unlock new moves using currency? If thats a yes then definitly pay to win.

No you can't unlock new moves. You unlock early some skills usable in only SOME game modes, but they can be unlocked in a single day playing normally.

[TrenchCowboy]

Originally posted by Cruna:

Originally posted by Luther:

I don't have the game but are you able to unlock new moves using currency? If thats a yes then definitly pay to win.

No you can't unlock new moves. You unlock early some skills usable in only SOME game modes, but they can be unlocked in a single day playing normally.

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[Bedsize]

For Honor is p2w, explain to me why buying steel with your wallet to buy crates with gear that boost you, or unlucking abilities before others is not p2w. - the fact that you can unlock these abilities over time, and that you will get gear by playing the game, has no weight at all.

So far is luckely only affecting the Dominion game mode, but the future will/may bring competitive ladder gameplay that is gear dependent.

[TrenchCowboy]

Originally posted by Bedsize:

For Honor is p2w, explain to me why buying steel with your wallet to buy crates with gear that boost you, or unlucking abilities before others is not p2w. - the fact that you can unlock these abilities over time, and that you will get gear by playing the game, has no weight at all.

So far is luckely only affecting the Dominion game mode, but the future will/may bring competitive ladder gameplay that is gear dependent.

I explain in the video I made...Dont wont to repeat myself....

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by TrenchCowboy:

Originally posted by Bedsize:

For Honor is p2w, explain to me why buying steel with your wallet to buy crates with gear that boost you, or unlucking abilities before others is not p2w. - the fact that you can unlock these abilities over time, and that you will get gear by playing the game, has no weight at all.

So far is luckely only affecting the Dominion game mode, but the future will/may bring competitive ladder gameplay that is gear dependent.

I explain in the video I made...Dont wont to repeat myself....

A shame your explanation is lackluster and disregard the definion we discuss. I agree that some might call this Pay For Advantage instead of Pay to Win, but they are closely related and supporting games with micro shops that rewards you for spending money and not playing, is a sin for any gamer in my opinion.

[Gray-FoX]

I hate pay 2 win and i never play games that use that ♥♥♥♥. All i wanna say is that this is NOT pay 2 win at all. You can buy steel and get some gear and change your look. But this stuff doesnt make you win at all. You also get stuff every match u play without using money. also, buying stuff before you are max level is dum. And when u are max you can buy lots of stuff without using a penny on the game. so.. not pay 2 win.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Gray-FoX OPL:

I hate pay 2 win and i never play games that use that ♥♥♥♥. All i wanna say is that this is NOT pay 2 win at all. You can buy steel and get some gear and change your look. But this stuff doesnt make you win at all. You also get stuff every match u play without using money. also, buying stuff before you are max level is dum. And when u are max you can buy lots of stuff without using a penny on the game. so.. not pay 2 win.

Still gives you an advantage or do you want to challange that claim ? becuase if you do then you are lying to yourself. P2W is something we can debate, because "over" buying steel might not make win easily against others, but it does boost you and that is an advantage.

[TrenchCowboy]

Originally posted by Darkie:

Originally posted by Gray-FoX OPL:

I hate pay 2 win and i never play games that use that ♥♥♥♥. All i wanna say is that this is NOT pay 2 win at all. You can buy steel and get some gear and change your look. But this stuff doesnt make you win at all. You also get stuff every match u play without using money. also, buying stuff before you are max level is dum. And when u are max you can buy lots of stuff without using a penny on the game. so.. not pay 2 win.

Still gives you an advantage or do you want to challange that claim ? becuase if you do then you are lying to yourself. P2W is something we can debate, because "over" buying steel might not make win easily against others, but it does boost you and that is an advantage.

P2W definition says it has to largely affect the game....no doubt i does a little...but not a lot....gg.....you didnt watch the video...

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by TrenchCowboy:

Originally posted by Darkie:

Still gives you an advantage or do you want to challange that claim ? becuase if you do then you are lying to yourself. P2W is something we can debate, because "over" buying steel might not make win easily against others, but it does boost you and that is an advantage.

P2W definition says it has to largely affect the game....no doubt i does a little...but not a lot....gg.....you didnt watch the video...

As I said P4A (Pay for Advantage) its just as bad as P2W in my eyes and poison not just gaming, but our society.. Its a path you support and a path that will lead to P2W in the end on a larger scale or even "pay for content" that is already here with the current way dlc's are made. But it will be much much worse, because you don't care about micro shops like this... You concede to my point yourself by saying it does affect the game abit to buy steel, in other words to gain you an advantage.

[Bedsize]

Originally posted by TrenchCowboy:

Originally posted by Bedsize:

For Honor is p2w, explain to me why buying steel with your wallet to buy crates with gear that boost you, or unlucking abilities before others is not p2w. - the fact that you can unlock these abilities over time, and that you will get gear by playing the game, has no weight at all.

So far is luckely only affecting the Dominion game mode, but the future will/may bring competitive ladder gameplay that is gear dependent.

I explain in the video I made...Dont wont to repeat myself....

No you dont, you simply underline that for a title to be p2w it has to give the user a large advantage. Dont you count better stats as a large advantage?
A game title that uses microtransactions and sells ingame item thats not purly cosmetics and other that does not have a direct impact on how you preform in a game, is always p2w, there is no grayzone.

Edit: any advantage at all in a game, no mater the size is p2w.

[Prusak]

Originally posted by Darkie:

Originally posted by TrenchCowboy:

I explain in the video I made...Dont wont to repeat myself....

A shame your explanation is lackluster and disregard the definion we discuss. I agree that some might call this Pay For Advantage instead of Pay to Win, but they are closely related and supporting games with micro shops that rewards you for spending money and not playing, is a sin for any gamer in my opinion.

Except the disadvantages hurt more than the advantages and tbh I'd rather use stock gear than high level gear

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Pay to progress, not pay to win.

[Prusak]

Actually I think the term you're looking for is pay to play less