Anyone feel The Lawbringer to be not that good?

[Lodreus]

My Lawbringer is a level 8 and it would be far more if its moves wasn't so..idk slow or bad. I've had 2 games where both Lawbringers were spamming same damn move which was The Long Arm, and Shove. Not once I saw a chain attack.

When I play, I try my best to fit in a chain attack or parry if possible, but to do so I would need the opponent to be open or give me a chance to grab. I could either perform The Long Arm or Shove, but by time I've done a move after such as idk.. a Swift Justice move, the opponent would of probably dodge it or blocked it. I also find the Lawbringer weapon switch to be extremely slow and obvious. I think Lawbringer attacks are only best performed when Lawbringer has grabbed the opponent.

Getting back to the level 16. I was expecting a experienced fighter who knew more then me. Sadly not. All he did was Grab, HIt, Shove, Hit and finally a Long arm. I could easly dodge this, but I lost because the damn bridge map is soo tight. I can't take a chance to go around him or else he pushes me off or performs that same attack.

Any Lawbringer mains here got advice on how to mix it up?

[Achrileg]

I fully agree that Lawbringer isn't that good in DUELS. He is sort of somewhere between Kensei and Conquerer/ Warlord with his mixups, but... worse.

When you parry gb, just go for a side heavy and only rarely, now and then, mix up with your special counter attacks.

Shove is just... garbage, and worse that conqs or warlords with nothing guaranteed. Use it when you block.

[Meltdown]

Welcome to games similar to MK and Street Fighter. There are a few specific 'good' characters and a few specific good moves that competitors use repeatedly and almost exclusivly. It's part of the meta of fighting games.

[Saint Landwalker]

I don't know how much this will help, but a pretty competent Youtuber has a video of him playing a bit of Lawbringer that might be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnt7ZF3XCA

That said, in my limited experience, the Lawbringer really has to be about blocking/countering, and guard-breaks/shoving/throwing/etc. His heavy attacks are too slow, and his high unblockable is too easy to dodge. None of which is going to stop me from trying to main him, but it's going to take some effort.

[Fawkzi]

Lawbringer strikes me more as a tank type character. Can dish out very little punishment but can take a lot, supposed to be played as the sort of hero that sits on a capture point to contest it while waiting for back up (The damage dealers) to step in.

That's what I thought at least but then I remembered this game isn't that deep.

[Vault Traveler]

In a game what supposed has broken inbreakable defence gameplay how han be the best defense character not be good?

[Lodreus]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

I don't know how much this will help, but a pretty competent Youtuber has a video of him playing a bit of Lawbringer that might be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnt7ZF3XCA

That said, in my limited experience, the Lawbringer really has to be about blocking/countering, and guard-breaks/shoving/throwing/etc. His heavy attacks are too slow, and his high unblockable is too easy to dodge. None of which is going to stop me from trying to main him, but it's going to take some effort.

I've watched this guy before. He's quite helpful.

I only watched up to 3:13. I'm not gonna watch any further as it doesn't look like he's gonna mix it up. He's doing the exact same thing I'm talking about in this thread. Sorry if I didn't watch it all to get full idea of how he plays, but it's clear that Lawbringer is nothing without those two moves.

[Saint Landwalker]

Originally posted by Lodreus:

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

I don't know how much this will help, but a pretty competent Youtuber has a video of him playing a bit of Lawbringer that might be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnt7ZF3XCA

That said, in my limited experience, the Lawbringer really has to be about blocking/countering, and guard-breaks/shoving/throwing/etc. His heavy attacks are too slow, and his high unblockable is too easy to dodge. None of which is going to stop me from trying to main him, but it's going to take some effort.

I've watched this guy before. He's quite helpful.

I only watched up to 3:13. I'm not gonna watch any further as it doesn't look like he's gonna mix it up. He's doing the exact same thing I'm talking about in this thread. Sorry if I didn't watch it all to get full idea of how he plays, but it's clear that Lawbringer is nothing without those two moves.

He employs a couple of striking combos in his second match (against a Raider and Berserker), but yeah, it's a lot of shoving, throwing, etc. That's pretty much what the Lawbringer is, though. Even though he looks huge and scary, his strength and focus is in... well, disabling and countering, rather than striking offense. And the occasional unblockable poleaxe to the face, when the opportunity presents itself.

[Lurnaezel]

His focus is on disabling and countering, so lots of shoves, counters and feints and not a lot of full-on fighting.

[Lodreus]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Originally posted by Lodreus:

I've watched this guy before. He's quite helpful.

I only watched up to 3:13. I'm not gonna watch any further as it doesn't look like he's gonna mix it up. He's doing the exact same thing I'm talking about in this thread. Sorry if I didn't watch it all to get full idea of how he plays, but it's clear that Lawbringer is nothing without those two moves.

He employs a couple of striking combos in his second match (against a Raider and Berserker), but yeah, it's a lot of shoving, throwing, etc. That's pretty much what the Lawbringer is, though. Even though he looks huge and scary, his strength and focus is in... well, disabling and countering, rather than striking offense. And the occasional unblockable poleaxe to the face, when the opportunity presents itself.

I really enjoyed playing as him. Like Achrileg said. He isn't that good in duels so playing as him isn't as fun when you're playing against a player who can avoid those grabs. Be nice if he had some tricky moves or fast attacks like Warden has when you RT+RB. I also didn't see much of the move with RB+RT+RT. Where the last attack is a power one.

[Saint Landwalker]

Originally posted by Lodreus:

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

He employs a couple of striking combos in his second match (against a Raider and Berserker), but yeah, it's a lot of shoving, throwing, etc. That's pretty much what the Lawbringer is, though. Even though he looks huge and scary, his strength and focus is in... well, disabling and countering, rather than striking offense. And the occasional unblockable poleaxe to the face, when the opportunity presents itself.

I really enjoyed playing as him. Like Achrileg said. He isn't that good in duels so playing as him isn't as fun when you're playing against a player who can avoid those grabs. Be nice if he had some tricky moves or fast attacks like Warden has when you RT+RB. I also didn't see much of the move with RB+RT+RT. Where the last attack is a power one.

That Light-Strong-Strong combo is probably going to be tough to pull off against prepared opponents, because the second heavy strike in particular is slow. If they're disoriented or panicky, it's great to have it land. But if they are on top of their game, it's going to get parried every time.

[Lodreus]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Originally posted by Lodreus:

I really enjoyed playing as him. Like Achrileg said. He isn't that good in duels so playing as him isn't as fun when you're playing against a player who can avoid those grabs. Be nice if he had some tricky moves or fast attacks like Warden has when you RT+RB. I also didn't see much of the move with RB+RT+RT. Where the last attack is a power one.

That Light-Strong-Strong combo is probably going to be tough to pull off against prepared opponents, because the second heavy strike in particular is slow. If they're disoriented or panicky, it's great to have it land. But if they are on top of their game, it's going to get parried every time.

I hardly use that move as it's too much of a risk. Takes too much stamina.

[Meltdown]

Originally posted by Lodreus:

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

I don't know how much this will help, but a pretty competent Youtuber has a video of him playing a bit of Lawbringer that might be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnt7ZF3XCA

That said, in my limited experience, the Lawbringer really has to be about blocking/countering, and guard-breaks/shoving/throwing/etc. His heavy attacks are too slow, and his high unblockable is too easy to dodge. None of which is going to stop me from trying to main him, but it's going to take some effort.

I've watched this guy before. He's quite helpful.

I only watched up to 3:13. I'm not gonna watch any further as it doesn't look like he's gonna mix it up. He's doing the exact same thing I'm talking about in this thread. Sorry if I didn't watch it all to get full idea of how he plays, but it's clear that Lawbringer is nothing without those two moves.

Again welcome to the Meta of fighting games. Every character in a fighting games (note not an FPS or other game, I am speaking specifically of fighting games like the Capcom and MK line) is going to be nothing without specific moves that you do every, single, time.... Watch some of the competitive matches of fighting games they all follow the same character picks, combos, etc. There is usually only about 4-5 characters that are ever viable at any given time, etc.

Welcome to gaming, what makes it interesting is if the Developers keep development giong enough like the gang at Campcom, or from an FPS standpoint Blizzard with Overwatch, so that the Meta is changed every quarter or so due to patches changing balance.

And honestly you can say the same things about any class or character based game. Overwatch, LoL, HotS are all the same. There are certain characters, combos, powers, and strats that are any good at any given time and everything else is subpar if you want to win.

[Zbig]

the best lawbringers i have seen just play defensive and block/parry everything and counterattack you

they are also prob the best class for knocking people off ledges or into spikes etc and damn near impossible to fight on certain capture points in dominion

[Meltdown]

Originally posted by Zbig:

the best lawbringers i have seen just play defensive and block/parry everything and counterattack you

they are also prob the best class for knocking people off ledges or into spikes etc and damn near impossible to fight on certain capture points in dominion

That's why most good players don't fight near those things and the majority of good ones have learned to avoid it. Watched a lot of 2v2 duals, and dominion play yesterday while waiting for the download and the good players that consistantly won would immediately turn and run if they saw they were getting near any kind of pit, spawned on a bridge, whatever, rather than engaging the enemy and just wait for the enemy to come to them. I mean I don't know how many matches I watched where as soon as it would start they would immediatly turn, run to their team mate and fight in a room with no ledges or dangerous items to be pushed into.

[Lodreus]

I suppose I'll give it another shot. I've moved onto Orochi for mean time to get away from Warden, and Lawbringer. Just shame that Lawbringer so slow. I know said it before, and I understand that to do certain moves you gotta do A & B, but it's damn repetitive.