What's the point of Oni Charge now?

[Bummer6]

Sooo... After the nerf, what is Oni Charge supposed to be used for? It can't be used as an offensive ability anymore since it doesn't punish you for getting hit by it anymore unless you're standing EXTREMELY close to an edge. It's also not very good as a movement ability since it drains so much stamina and stops you dead in your tracks once it runs out, thus killing all your momentum.

In my opinion, they should have just removed it and replaced it with another ability rather than just making it useless. Or they could have added something else to it instead of the knockdown. Maybe make it so it only knocks down if the enemy is out of stamina or something, so it works more like the stagger you get from being parried.

I just don't see the point of even having Oni Charge in the game anymore.

[Gsites90]

It's doobisoft, they just make sloppy decisions and hope it works out well enough. Shugoki is pretty much just a parry training dummy now in 1v1 and it's kinda lame. You can still bridge troll with the charge, but yea it's pretty underwhelming and a waste of energy to use in any situation, but you can thank the jackasses that did nothing but spamming it for ruining the ability.

[Saint Landwalker]

Charge of the Oni is a situational disruption ability. It is not, nor according to the devs was it ever intended to be, a primary offensive weapon.

Personally I would have left the knockdown but taken away the gliding heavy attack, but I don't get to make decisions about things.

[Csx39]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Charge of the Oni is a situational disruption ability. It is not, nor according to the devs was it ever intended to be, a primary offensive weapon.

Personally I would have left the knockdown but taken away the gliding heavy attack, but I don't get to make decisions about things.

Don't forget about the shugokis oni charging their own teammates

[Bummer6]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Charge of the Oni is a situational disruption ability. It is not, nor according to the devs was it ever intended to be, a primary offensive weapon.

Personally I would have left the knockdown but taken away the gliding heavy attack, but I don't get to make decisions about things.

It doesn't really disrupt anymore though... Unless you count the tiny stagger as a disrupution.
I mainly used the charge as a tool to get turtles to stop turtling and actually fight me, but without the risk of getting punished for getting hit by the charge, that no longer works.

[Saint Landwalker]

Originally posted by Bummer6:

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Charge of the Oni is a situational disruption ability. It is not, nor according to the devs was it ever intended to be, a primary offensive weapon.

Personally I would have left the knockdown but taken away the gliding heavy attack, but I don't get to make decisions about things.

It doesn't really disrupt anymore though... Unless you count the tiny stagger as a disrupution.
I mainly used the charge as a tool to get turtles to stop turtling and actually fight me, but without the risk of getting punished for getting hit by the charge, that no longer works.

"Can't punish turtles reliably anymore" just means you're in the same place as almost the entire rest of the hero cast.

Charge of the Oni isn't supposed to punish turtles (which we know based on the devs' words and actions). And now it doesn't. How one feels about that is another matter, but the pre-patch mechanics of Charge of the Oni (in combination with the rest of how Shugoki works) were pretty clearly beyond abusively broken. Maybe this is the right fix for that. Maybe it isn't (and it isn't like the devs have established a very comforting history of addressing actual problems the right way instead of non-problems the wrong way).

[abexomotron]

I just eat some popcorn while counting how many patch is needed so that WARDEN finally get really balance because of you know who and you know what in the game PR.

[0mG n0t aga|n]

i would make oni chrage knock down ppl out of stamina

[Corvan]

Just a speed up move now, and not much else. Feelsbadman. Sure pre-patch shu-shu train was boring and annoying to fight with, but now Hog is just a complete boring turtle in 1x1. ANOTHER one. ♥♥♥♥...