Lets push back the stream of stupidity

[Holy Athena]

Alright, tons of QQing, crying, whining, ignorant posts, and other wise trash from a garbage community that is Steam when it comes to having no sense or logic when it comes to games. For this reason, I will be brutally blunt in my assessement of what people have said, or done in regards to ArcheAge, and I -WILL NOT- hold anything back. You were warned. (There is a "humane" part at the end if you find my annoyances, and irritations to much)

Note: Alot of people aren't "getting" my post here either. People think I am saying ArcheAge is the best! but I'm not. They think I'm calling EVERYONE who doesn't agree ignorant.. I'm not.. Just those who are doing it in an ignorant way.. (duh).

I'm also not claiming the game doesn't have its faults. The only thing I'm pointing out, or about to point out is the fact that many complaints I'm seeing are either just ignorant, or invalid. That's all.

(I do own ArcheAge btw, bought into it because I loved the idea they were going for)

Lets start by what the game actually IS. Most people trip up on this on Day 1, Second 1, Milisecond 1 of writing a post, review, etc. about ArcheAge.

ArcheAge is an open world, much like EVE, or Age of Wushu. Where player interaction, and player run economy is key. Most people go into ArcheAge expecting your typical WoW retardism, which isn't the case. They then ♥♥♥♥♥ whine and cry when its not what they expected, because they're too stupid to look into the game they are actually buying into. Tough luck. Stupid is as stupid does.

Your only limitation is essentially your own mind, and your ability to get into the world. Expect it to spell out what to do next, and you're gonna quickly find yourself whining the game sucks.. But only because you're again, too stupid to handle it.

"But but but... I'm out of quests and labor points, what do I do? This game sucks, stupid limitations, wah wah wah wah wah"... Oh what to do because you claim EVERYTHING is labor point use? Well lets see...

1) sell yourself out as a mercenary and do some PvP

2) Get some influence with other players, get connections

3) explore other continents, and see how deep you can get before being chased off (lol)

4) Ferry yourself, and offer rides for a cheap amount of silver to another Island or continent if you have a larger boat.

5) Offer your protection to a cart or ship attempting to send something through dangerous territory

6) Join a Guild

7) Conversate with people, and make your own fun

8) Get a party together and try to hunt some NM's

9) Get a party together and try to hunt some players

10) Get a party together, and do a raid on another continent

11) Look for a nice housing location for when you get one

12) Look for a nice farming location

13) And more....

There's a pretty extensive list for you, sorry for your loss of intelligence, when were you dropped as a kid again?

Lets face it though, not everyone.. ok, most people can't think for themselves anymore, so I won't go too harsh into you being programmed into thinking "if its not spelled out for me, I guess I can't do it!" that WoW style of MMO's have forced down everyones throats. So I guess I'll take that insult back, I apologize. Just remember, you gotta -THINK-. Lack of Thinking in ArcheAge will ruin your fun.. As I see has done for many people.

So I'll give my own example:

Just last Beta, I went on a scouting party with 2 other people. We ended up jumping off an airship and gliding to the top of a mountain. Up there we watched the hustle bustle of everyday life in Archage. People farming, tending their houses, but wait, what ho? A foe? Someone dare attack a helpless farmer? I say No!

So down we went. Jumping on our Gliders the 3 of us glided down from the mountain top on this unsuspecting would be thief. Being a PLD like character, I jumped off and landed literaly right next to him as he was running away with the farmers pack on his back, with a nice little shild bash to the face, he found himself quite stunned by the experience. The Warrior landing a few seconds after next to him, took out his 2 handed weapon, forcefully insisted the thief sit on the grass, while the mage dropped down just seconds after the warrior and froze the thiefs unbelief in place. (for those who don't get those play on words, I stunned him, warrior knocked him back, and mage froze him).

We then took back the pack, and returned it to the farmer who was more than pleased, and insisted we were like Gaurdian angels from above, and that we should be compensated. (Yes the real player was quite thrilled we saved his goods, and insisted on paying us.)

-Scoffs- "Nothing to do in ArcheAge" get out of here noobs.. What other game allows you to do this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As Kraggoth said in another post

"I cant think of any other MMO that has non-instanced housing, ship battles, piracy, a justice system, ability to steal and murder from your own faction, farming, aqua farming, mounts you can apply gear too, mounts that other people can ride on, gliders, the ability to create music, trade runs (crafting or picking up a pack that sits on your back, slowing you down, disabling teleportation while you try and make it to a faraway location without being murdered for profit), classes that are determined by picking three different skill trees, hidden places to discover and possibly settle, the ability to murder npcs, castle sieging... I'm sure im forgetting more.

Now, are there games that have SOME of these elements? Sure, is there another game that has ALL of these elements? No. The closest thing I can compare this to is Ultima Online at its prime."

This game -IS- an open world, what other game can you be all this at any time, and live a fantasy life?

Innadril followed up with:

"Kraggoth knows :D Guys this game is so dense I can't event start to sell it. It has everything. If you want to be a pacific farmer or merchant you can, if you want to be a king you can, if you want to be a sea wolf then you can, if you want to be the most feared gladiator in the arena the you can, or if you want to be the most respected fisherman in Erenor you can too (maybe you can catch the biggest and heaviest fish in the game!)... It's too extense."

I think I made my point...

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ArcheAge isn't for everyone, I understand that. If you don't like it, move on. I'm tired of every self entitled idiot thinking just becuase they don't like a game, they have every right to come, and insist the developers change something they don't like and throw a hissy fit. I remember back in the day when you didn't like something you either found a way around it, or moved on. There was no sense of "imbalance" in old games, it was the sense of "ok, a challenge too overcome."

So why am I saying this? The Labor System. Quite a bit of a controversial topic.. Labor points are required to craft, gather, and open drop loot bags. (While I agree they shouldn't be used for loot drops, that's just silly), there IS a reason to have it in the game..

Lets put things into perspective shall we? Most MMO's of today have horrendously garbage economy. Most MMO's I like to craft, and in Most MMO's I make almost nothing next to the adventurers, and questers, because everyone and their grandmother can not only make items super easy, but there is a huge influx of items, and people drop the prices to a horrendous amount because there is just so much of it.

Now we all know that labor helps keep the economy in check, by slowing down the influx of goods into the market. However it does more than this..

It also stops gold sellers from spamming the market too easily. While they still technically can, it's now putting a ceiling on them as well.

I've also heard "well let non patrons earn LP offline"... no.. it would kill ^

Instead of complaining about it, deal with it, and make it fun. This game is focused for RP, and open-world with human interactions. This isn't supposed to be a typical MMO like WoW or the 90000000 wow rip offs. It's not supposed to be stupid easy to get everything you want or need. If you have that mentality, you can remove yourself, because this game is too advanced for you and your "I want everything now with no effort" mentality.

Get cunning, get smart. Try to think for yourself for once, instead of face rolling that keyboard for auto wins. How can you make the labor system work for you? Hmmm...

I know a great way that I thought up, and will do for my Guild. It's full of RP, and helps get around that labor issue.

This game is focused on working with others, so play it like its supposed too.

Hire another player... *gasp*...
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This is what I'm going to do in my Guild. Apprentice system.

Master crafter, hires a new player to help make basic parts (Iron Ingots, etc. the small stuff), The Crafter then takes those, makes items out of them and sells them, he then cuts the apprentice a % of the sales.

Both profit.

Apprentice gets valuable exp, both through game mechanics, and seeing how its done by another player for making/obtaining/selling those higher end items, and gets paid as well (maybe even more than doing it himself depending on what the master crafter made).

Master Crafter gets more done than he could alone, by letting his apprentice make the smaller end materials required. He gets more end products, and more profit from the market.

Bam, labor system used in a cunning and RP like way, that's both immersive, and helpful to both parties..

Bam, old school mentality wins again, just used an otherwise "limiting" mechanic, and used it in a way that not only benefited me and my associate, but also allowed us to get MORE out of it. WITHOUT destroying the economy.

-Get out of here noobs.

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1) Free to play doesn't mean Pay to win.. Just because most others do this, doesn't mean ArcheAge will, they already said they don't want to do this...

2) ArcheAge is NOT your typical MMO, you can really (with only a few limitations), do anything you want, when you want, and the only REAL thing limited you is your own mind (which sucks for alot of people, since their minds don't work that well).

3) Don't wanna buy into it? NO problem! wait till its free! Doesn't matter if you think that's dumb or not, remove your self entitled rear out of this post. You're not needed or wanted.


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TLDR; ... If you really need a TLDR section, you're too ignorant and dumb for me to care, or take anything you say seriously....

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Ok, seriously though let me wind down, and be humane. I understand people don't like everything, it happens, nobody can like everything, but for the love of everything good, just because you don't like a game, or find some mechanics dumb, is NOT a reason to go post "This game sucks" with absolutely nothing to back your claims like 99% of most negative posts on most games on steam.

It's fine if you don't like it, but move on. Sitting and ♥♥♥♥♥ing just shows you're self entitled and think you are the center of the universe. It's ok to sit and show your concern, and thoughts, nobody is saying otherwise, but the degree of stupidity I'm seeing on steam already towards Arche Age makes me weep for this games future existance, becuase most of the Western society has been so brain washed into thinking "if its not fast,a nd stupid easy to achieve it sucks". -Sarcasm- Thank you WoW for destroying the next generation, as well as American Society in general -Sarcasm-


Edit: Done discussing it with people who don't get it.

I'm NOT saying just because you don't like it, you're ignorant or dumb. Only if you do it in an ignorant dumb way.....

I know the post is harsh, oh well. It is what it is and it says all that needs to be said. I won't be dropping myself to certain peoples levels anymore.

[Kefo]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Messaggio originale di Kefo:

Wow has airships so does that make it a korean game? If you can also link me to the post where they said they could have translated the game months ago but chose not to I would love to see it.

As it stands right now you are talking out of your ass

No the fact that it is a korean is a strike against it right out of the gate. anyone who has played korean games of the past, newb, knows to stay far, far away from them - they are all pay 2 win grindfests. This one will be soon.

I wasn't talking about WoW, I was talking about airships - slow travel - waiting for something to take you somewhere - a grindfest.

Why would I link you to an article? I've kept up with this game for years, I know their schedule and I know how long they have spending traslating one language to another. Do you know how long that takes? Hint: not long.

It is well known that korean games are generally grindfests. That is some peoples cup of tea. Perhaps you dont remember the old days of EQ and UO where you grinded for months to get an item you want or are you new to the MMO scene?

Also because its Korean automatically makes it a ♥♥♥♥ game right? just like all African Americans are thieves and all south American people are drug dealers. Perhaps you need to stop being so closed minded and try something new from time to time.

You just described WoW to a tee with airships. You wait for an airship to take you somewhere, its slow travel, so in your mind its a grindfest. There are others means of transport in AA that let you teleport to the location and avoid the airship altogether.

And why would you link the article? because the burden of proof is on you. You make a claim so you need to back it up. If you cant then quite frankly you are talking out of your ass and making things up

[Fire Walk With Me]

Messaggio originale di Kefo:

It is well known that korean games are generally grindfests. That is some peoples cup of tea. Perhaps you dont remember the old days of EQ and UO where you grinded for months to get an item you want or are you new to the MMO scene?

Also because its Korean automatically makes it a ♥♥♥♥ game right? just like all African Americans are thieves and all south American people are drug dealers. Perhaps you need to stop being so closed minded and try something new from time to time.

You just described WoW to a tee with airships. You wait for an airship to take you somewhere, its slow travel, so in your mind its a grindfest. There are others means of transport in AA that let you teleport to the location and avoid the airship altogether.

And why would you link the article? because the burden of proof is on you. You make a claim so you need to back it up. If you cant then quite frankly you are talking out of your ass and making things up

I dont care if someone likes grindfests. they are what they are. I started on the NA release day of FFXI - a grindfest game. never again though.

Yes, it makes it automatically ♥♥♥♥ if it is Korean. I am coming from vast experience across all platforms and genres. So I am going with over a decade of experience. All ♥♥♥♥.

I didn't say that about other races - that is your personal racism cross to bear good luck with it.

You keep talking about WoW. I am glad you like WoW. I have never once logged into WoW.

Burden of proof? Lol, I am not in a trial. Everyone who has experience with Korean games knows how bad they are. They fact they are doing this continual forunder's pack scam for months on end is all the proof anyone needs.

[Kefo]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Messaggio originale di Kefo:

It is well known that korean games are generally grindfests. That is some peoples cup of tea. Perhaps you dont remember the old days of EQ and UO where you grinded for months to get an item you want or are you new to the MMO scene?

Also because its Korean automatically makes it a ♥♥♥♥ game right? just like all African Americans are thieves and all south American people are drug dealers. Perhaps you need to stop being so closed minded and try something new from time to time.

You just described WoW to a tee with airships. You wait for an airship to take you somewhere, its slow travel, so in your mind its a grindfest. There are others means of transport in AA that let you teleport to the location and avoid the airship altogether.

And why would you link the article? because the burden of proof is on you. You make a claim so you need to back it up. If you cant then quite frankly you are talking out of your ass and making things up

I dont care if someone likes grindfests. they are what they are. I started on the NA release day of FFXI - a grindfest game. never again though.

Yes, it makes it automatically ♥♥♥♥ if it is Korean. I am coming from vast experience across all platforms and genres. So I am going with over a decade of experience. All ♥♥♥♥.

I didn't say that about other races - that is your personal racism cross to bear good luck with it.

You keep talking about WoW. I am glad you like WoW. I have never once logged into WoW.

Burden of proof? Lol, I am not in a trial. Everyone who has experience with Korean games knows how bad they are. They fact they are doing this continual forunder's pack scam for months on end is all the proof anyone needs.

I hate to break it to you but what you like doesnt mean it is what everyone else likes, that was my point. Some people like grindfests, you dont. I am having a hard time understanding why you are on this forum ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about a game you dont like.

I was races as an example of your blatant hatred for anything Korean. I have no problem with any of the races I listed but you clearly have a problem with Korean MMO's. Yes they are grindy, and in your opinion that makes them ♥♥♥♥, but not everyone sees it that way.

I actually dont like WoW anymore. They have taken a different direction then what I like. I have played it in the past and I am relating that experience to your post. WoW has airships, they make you wait to go from point A to point B. By your logic that automatically makes it Korean. See my point?

If you make a claim then yes, the burden of proof is on you. I can say that you are a mouth breathing, window licking idiot but I have no hard facts so no one would take me seriously. The same is true here. If you cant show hard facts to back up your claim that they are delaying localization so they can sell more packs then you are talking out your ass.

[Holy Athena]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Messaggio originale di Kefo:

It is well known that korean games are generally grindfests. That is some peoples cup of tea. Perhaps you dont remember the old days of EQ and UO where you grinded for months to get an item you want or are you new to the MMO scene?

Also because its Korean automatically makes it a ♥♥♥♥ game right? just like all African Americans are thieves and all south American people are drug dealers. Perhaps you need to stop being so closed minded and try something new from time to time.

You just described WoW to a tee with airships. You wait for an airship to take you somewhere, its slow travel, so in your mind its a grindfest. There are others means of transport in AA that let you teleport to the location and avoid the airship altogether.

And why would you link the article? because the burden of proof is on you. You make a claim so you need to back it up. If you cant then quite frankly you are talking out of your ass and making things up

I dont care if someone likes grindfests. they are what they are. I started on the NA release day of FFXI - a grindfest game. never again though.

Yes, it makes it automatically ♥♥♥♥ if it is Korean. I am coming from vast experience across all platforms and genres. So I am going with over a decade of experience. All ♥♥♥♥.

I didn't say that about other races - that is your personal racism cross to bear good luck with it.

You keep talking about WoW. I am glad you like WoW. I have never once logged into WoW.

Burden of proof? Lol, I am not in a trial. Everyone who has experience with Korean games knows how bad they are. They fact they are doing this continual forunder's pack scam for months on end is all the proof anyone needs.

Personally I like grind fest games, because they generally require ALOT more dedication, and all together skill, and knowledge of the game mechanics too complete, where as, WoW, Aion, FFXIV, etc.

They let you get everything you need very easily by face rolling your keyboard like a window licking ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with little to no needed knowledge except how to target and press the 1-9 keys.

Funny enough I find the whole argument against "grindfests" to be a joke. You play WoW for what? lets say... 6 years? You get all the items you need in the first year, all the other years are.. well. what? Grinding... Playing dungeons, re playing dungeons, re doing stuff you've done 100 times.. it's STILL a grindfest. So I find it laughable whenever someone whines about "grinding" in an MMO.......

"Grindfest" games like FFXI, I'm fine with. Since I'm going to be doing 100 things 10000 times anyway in my lifetime of playing the game, might as well make it have depth, immersion, and challenge too it.

[SpaceNavy]

Stfu nerd lmao

[Fire Walk With Me]

Messaggio originale di Kefo:

I hate to break it to you but what you like doesnt mean it is what everyone else likes, that was my point. Some people like grindfests, you dont. I am having a hard time understanding why you are on this forum ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about a game you dont like.

I was races as an example of your blatant hatred for anything Korean. I have no problem with any of the races I listed but you clearly have a problem with Korean MMO's. Yes they are grindy, and in your opinion that makes them ♥♥♥♥, but not everyone sees it that way.

I actually dont like WoW anymore. They have taken a different direction then what I like. I have played it in the past and I am relating that experience to your post. WoW has airships, they make you wait to go from point A to point B. By your logic that automatically makes it Korean. See my point?

If you make a claim then yes, the burden of proof is on you. I can say that you are a mouth breathing, window licking idiot but I have no hard facts so no one would take me seriously. The same is true here. If you cant show hard facts to back up your claim that they are delaying localization so they can sell more packs then you are talking out your ass.

I like keeping up with games. I've kept up with this one, thought it would be an answer to a light MMO itch. Continue to talk about it. However, I am not angry and defensive about any game as you seem to be. Lighten up Francis.

Blatant hatred for anything Korean or any game that is Korean? The latter I can assure you. I love Koreans as I love every race of humans.

No I do not see your point at all. You don't have one in your WoW analogy.

Ok I'll work on my burden of proof. lol.

[Fire Walk With Me]

Messaggio originale di Mistress Athena:

So I find it laughable whenever someone whines about "grinding" in an MMO.......

I'm not whining all MMOs have a grind at some point or there isnt anything left to play really. Just letting people know it is a Korean game - so it will like take it to the extreme. I do have a pal who got to 50 and he told me the level grind isnt bad at all. That is nice.

[Holy Athena]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Messaggio originale di Mistress Athena:

So I find it laughable whenever someone whines about "grinding" in an MMO.......

I'm not whining all MMOs have a grind at some point or there isnt anything left to play really. Just letting people know it is a Korean game - so it will like take it to the extreme. I do have a pal who got to 50 and he told me the level grind isnt bad at all. That is nice.

The level "grind" in AA isn't a grind at all.... the game is all about open world sand-box.. There virtually is no "grinding" as far as korean games go. There's more grinding in FFXIV by 100x than there is in AA.

[Ekheru]

Messaggio originale di Mistress Athena:

Messaggio originale di Trash:

Well I do own the game and I have to disagree with you. May I also say that you are coming across like a bit of a "fanboi" making this game sound like the second coming of jesus when it's really not. Although I do agree with you MMORPG gamers are the biggest complainers in the world. They complain about everything even when things are not that bad.

Anyways onto my post...

If you did your research, Especially on MMORPG.com and other websites. I think the majority of players who are upset about this game are because they bought this game thinking this is a Sandbox MMORPG. Which is no fault of their own and they have that right to complain about it. Because...

1) It advertizes itself as that. A Sandbox. When it is not. Which is false advertizment. That's the companys fault. Not the players.
2) It's an open world themepark and the quest design and PVE Content is exactly the same Formula as WoW, Rift, and other WoW themeparks. Archeage PVE content and raiding is not only incredibly easy but the overall content seems to have been done cheaply. The character creation is not indepth. It's horrid. Even Elderscrolls Online has more Indepth Character creation. The crafting is simplistic and it setup in such a way that it does not really mesh well with the rest of the game. Everquest 2 and other games have better crafting systems then this game has. (And yes I do have a lvl 50, and have been playing the game since the game went alpha.)

Secondly, This is a pvp game plain and simple. It's not a PVE game at all because the PVE content is like I said, cheap and boring. Personally, I don't feel the game is worth 150$ and if anyone bought it for that. I feel really sorry for you. Because their are better games out there.

And lastly if you seriously cannot handle it emotionally when people don't like a video game you do then you really need to maybe not read all the negativity or just find something better too do with your time, because frankly who cares what people think about the game you love? As long as you like the game thats all that matters. No sense continuing the drama because all you're just going to get Trolls and other Idiots baiting you into pointless arguments no one really cares about.

Cheers,
-Trash

/sigh the ignorance is strong with this one..

1) I plainly say I am tired of all of the ignorant, and retarded posts when it comes too ArcheAge, and people just not getting it... (sorta like you).

2) its advertised as a sanbox, and is... Sure you can change "territories" but that's it, nothing less different than changing systems in EVE, yet EVE is still an open sandbox game. Just like Archage.

3) it's an open world, with theme park like qualities for the PvE junkies, and people expecting a WoW rip off. While the PvE content is alright, and gets you learning the game, it doesn't hold your hand either.

While the crafting is pretty simplistic, I'm sure they can expand on it. It's still beta after all, and isn't supposed to release until the end of the year, that's ALOT of time to touch stuff up. No reason to ♥♥♥♥♥ yet.

Yes it is a PvP game, you are acting as though that's a bad thing. Just like EVE's PvE stuff is rather bland, it's there for trivial reasons, just like ArcheAges, though ArcheAges is done better than EVE's... Again, where's the bad? It's just how it is. Don't like it? Move on.. It's like you expect it to be a WoW spin off.

Your own fault for wasting 150$... I didn't... No game is worth 150$ regardless of how great it is imo.

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I can handle it when people don't like a game, that's not the problem.. The problem I have is the utter idiocy, and stupidity which people bludgeon me with while doing so. That's the problem.

There are people who have voiced their dis-like and that's fine.. When people are saying things like you however... "omg this game focuses on PvP, and has simplistic PvE, it sucks"... well.. now we have an issue... You're too ignorant to look at the game as it was intended to be played/experienced..... That's your problem...

The game advertises itself as an open world, player run economy, with strong player interaction AKA PvP. You went in expecting an open world, with stronger PvE, than PvP...

In-fact, I don't think you even get the depth of the PvP, this isn't Raid crap, or an instanced PvP dumbed down stuff like in WoW like MMO's. its an OPEN WORLD PvP, where a player can come jack your ♥♥♥♥, and you need to fight them off.

I'm sorry, you just don't get it, and because of that, you're limiting yourself, and your views of the game, thinking it sucks, but only because you just can't seem get your mind unraveled around that derptastic WoW style.

Well sure it's BETA but only for us. People in Korea have been playing this ♥♥♥♥ for ages (small exaggeration) and they still have simplistic crafting. Learn some facts before posting. And if you know their previous releases like Lineage 2, as good as they are, they lack appeal to western gaming population... Grind grind grind and some micro transactions to rip you off.

Don't get me wrong. I'm waiting for this game as well but i don't have high hopes. Go watch youtube and gameplay from Korean/Russian(thou being ♥♥♥♥♥ recently) versions of the game. And please do not expect it to be different than what they have got. It would be just silly.

I will not even read your reply so please don't bother.

[Metalbreath]

*Eating Pop Corn* nom nom nom nom....

I have to agree that people expect something different and find out that the game is not. Trion said that it will be farming and crafting encouraging. yes there will be fighting with monsters and PvP, but from this it sounds more like a PvE. not WoW.

As well, the F2P with Patrol Access if you mnage to get APEX is fair. either you play and earn them either you buy it. even if you dont buy it, you can still play. in EVE Online if you wouldnt make it to get their "Patrol Access" you couldnt play at all.

And yes, its a grasp for money and security over Multi-Accounts (Although that didnt stop EVE Online which it had more strict system)..... But guess what, Game Developers wont make a free game for your beautiful eyes... And no, they dont eat rainbows as expected from many people. They need money to finance the company and keep the game alive.

I know I went a BIT off subject.... but I just had to let it out somewhere lol. This was an interesting topic.

Im heading back to pop corn... you guys go back to whatever you are arguing about it :)

nom nom nom....

[Fire Walk With Me]

Even if the game is fantastic paying $150 to find out is crazy - crazy.

Talk to all of the regretful who bought founder's packs of Mechwarrior Online or Marvel Heroes or really any of the f2ps.

If the game is free to try I'll likely boot her up, see for myself although from the twitch streams it looks a lot worse than people have even been saying. we shall see.

[Metalbreath]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Even if the game is fantastic paying $150 to find out is crazy - crazy.

Talk to all of the regretful who bought founder's packs of Mechwarrior Online or Marvel Heroes or really any of the f2ps.

If the game is free to try I'll likely boot her up, see for myself although from the twitch streams it looks a lot worse than people have even been saying. we shall see.

Dont forget Perfect World and Defiance (which it was made by the same company, and offered a whole 10 euros DLC with a whole new sword... skin...)

[Fire Walk With Me]

Yar Trion really isnt for me generally speaking.

[Windoze]

1: I love grindfest
2: I got a bunch of money to waste
this game is for me.

if:

you dont like grinding for the bill
and you are poor

this game is not for you

[Skyforger]

The only reason I would never invest this early is look at the mmo landmark right now on steam, it is 66% off for the founders pack and it's still in alpha/beta. This could easily go on sale if it takes a while to get to release and this is coming from someone that has been defending this the last few days.

It would make 100% sense if you were going to invest the £115 anyways when it was out as you get more than £115 worth of items and exclusive early access and collectors items ingame, if ofcourse they kept it at that price till the game came out. But there is nothing stopping them pulling a landmark and throwing the full £115 pack at 66% in 2-3 months done the line.