The Beginner's Guide

The Beginner's Guide

Pretentious Game: The Sequel?
Seriously, was nobody off put by the lack of wit and humour in this walking simulator? This 'game' should have been a free youtube documentary video, ugh. Even FNAF lore is less vague than the relationship and identity of this Coda person with Davey
投稿主: Edible Eyebrows:
Cocyx The Gay Skeleton の投稿を引用:
Edible Eyebrows の投稿を引用:
it is my opinion that this game is about the inevitable collapse of western civilisation and its replacement by a new ideology based on the supremacy of crab-cat hybrids.

This is the only correct interpretation based on my extensive experience with cats and my fading memories of this game i played ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years ago.

*sigh*. you were so close to making a valid point, but the ideology is about *crustacean* cat hybrids; not exclusive to crabs. crayfish and lobster also have proverbial big claws that could easily squash a human's innards out like a tube of toothpaste.

if you had actually read what i wrote, rather than jumping ahead to boast your own crustacean knowledge (inflating your ego much?) you would have seen that i said I have extensive experience with CATS. not CRABS.

so sooorrrryyy if im not entirely accurate with my terminology, but at least i know how to read.
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As I played through TBG, I just kept thinking "Man, so many people are going to be calling this pretentious and missing the point of it all."

I was not disappointed.

I have only ever played one game I would truly consider as pretentious, and even so, I realize that someone else could likely find more meaning in it than I did. This can be extended, too. People could claim Zork as pretentious, since it's trying to impress the atmosphere of danger on a player, but only using text. "There's no time-dependent urgency," someone could say. "It's all just words on a screen, they don't show any real danger. This game's pretentious."

But, of course, very few people would consider Zork as pretentious, and most people see it as an incredible milestone in gaming history.

"Pretentious" is a word that describes a completely subjective perspective. It can't ever be used to describe anything more than that. As such, when you label a game as pretentious, you are only saying that you, yourself, personally, got nothing out of it. It is a word used to describe you. And if you see a game as pretentious, try playing it with a more open mind.

If you're asking why you should care, maybe explore that yourself. Figure out why you should care, and listen to what the game is telling you. Find what it is showing you. There is no one you can objectively blame but yourself.
ed 2015年10月3日 18時13分 
Clill Binton の投稿を引用:
Well he's also calling out people who read too much into works of fiction.

This interpretation doesn't really work IMO. Story!Davey is named after the real one, voiced by the real one, presented as the real one, and has the same psychological problems the real one has talked about struggling with. So very probably Davey = Davey.

If "we" are anyone in this game, we're almost certainly just the other unnamed audience - in addition to the audience of the actual game - that he shows Coda's altered games to because he is hooked on that sense of validation in an unhealthy way (which, again, the real Davey has talked about having problems with).
最近の変更はedが行いました; 2015年10月3日 18時14分
Anti-intellectual dullards are why America can't have nice things.
Dauthi 2015年10月3日 18時23分 
Not everyone can read a piece of literature and understand it fully. Many more will be put off at the difficulty of trying. After playing this game I digested the story, then cemented it by playing again. It is by no means easy, and I think part of what you are buying is the feelings and thoughts afterwards.
ed の投稿を引用:
Clill Binton の投稿を引用:
Well he's also calling out people who read too much into works of fiction.

This interpretation doesn't really work IMO. Story!Davey is named after the real one, voiced by the real one, presented as the real one, and has the same psychological problems the real one has talked about struggling with. So very probably Davey = Davey.

If "we" are anyone in this game, we're almost certainly just the other unnamed audience - in addition to the audience of the actual game - that he shows Coda's altered games to because he is hooked on that sense of validation in an unhealthy way (which, again, the real Davey has talked about having problems with).

No I mean he's literally calling out people who over analyzed The Stanley Parable to the point of burning him out. Coda represents him making the game (and mod first) just for fun and Davey represents the people who would give much more meaning to the game. Does the fact that there's no good ending to TSP plus the boring office work etc. mean that Davey is depressed, does it mean that if finds office work unfulfilling, etc.

If you read his message on his old blog http://www.galactic-cafe.com/ you'll see how so many people contacted with their perceptions of his game the same way that we see Davey always talking to Coda about his game and how muc hthey're both burned out.
Oh, this post reminded me of one of Davey's blog on the Galatic Cafe about GOTY. And I think it is kinda related to Davey's message in The Beginner's Guide.

I don't think it's wrong to say "This game is lack of entertaiments" or something like that. I really can imagine that I would not understand this game at all and might even get disappointed if I haven't had same experience which Code did. It is great to give feedback for anything!

But I really think it is totally wrong to say "Then do not say 'This game is created by the creator of The Stanley Parable.'"
Davey has been saying that this game is NOT one of the products of Galactic Cafe before this game launched, and he was truly one of creators of The Stanley Parable.
Your "opinon" sounds like "Game owns its creator," but the reality is that "Creator owns its game!" I think that kind of thought which you have only makes limits and pressures on people who create something and it is really disrespectful to them!


Sorry if someone else has already said similar thing here.
最近の変更はHikurusが行いました; 2015年10月3日 20時03分
just because this may not have as many mechanics as a typical game, doesn't mean it should be watched on youtube. And what it does have in interactivity is more meaningful than a lot of games in my opinion.

What if the person you're watching skips past a part you would have wanted to check out? Or doesn't spend as much time reflecting on section as you would have? You need to have a spare few hours, and go through this with yourself in my opinion.
最近の変更はKrampusが行いました; 2015年10月3日 21時01分
What's the pretence? That he's using the steam engine to create a piece of artwork, instead of another opportunity to mow down zombies with a machine gun? People have made art since cave men scrawled images of the animals they hunted, we don't turn our noses up at them and call them snobs for being creative. Do you go to art museums and just go "what a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥!" when you see people's attempts to be creative?
最近の変更はIron Pariahが行いました; 2015年10月4日 12時00分
Rando の投稿を引用:
It's a story about a "2 deep 4 u" whiney game dev, why am I supposed to care?

Maybe because, right here, you totally fumbled the point.
It's not "2 deep 4 u" its just somebody trying to express feelings they have. That's not pretentious, its the basic human experiance, and the PURPOSE of language. If you can't grasp feelings or why people have them, the problem isn't with the rest of us.
Yagé Coyote の投稿を引用:
It's not "2 deep 4 u" its just somebody trying to express feelings they have. That's not pretentious, its the basic human experiance, and the PURPOSE of language. If you can't grasp feelings or why people have them, the problem isn't with the rest of us.

His problems are universal. "Oh boo hoo, interacting with people is Haaaaaaard, people have expectations of meee? whut am I supposed to doooo wuuh huh huh!"
And the problem is, he doesn't provide any new light or actual answers to this issues, he just basically whines about it for an hour and pretends to be deeper than he really is. Whatever. Glad I got a refund
Rando の投稿を引用:
Yagé Coyote の投稿を引用:
It's not "2 deep 4 u" its just somebody trying to express feelings they have. That's not pretentious, its the basic human experiance, and the PURPOSE of language. If you can't grasp feelings or why people have them, the problem isn't with the rest of us.

His problems are universal. "Oh boo hoo, interacting with people is Haaaaaaard, people have expectations of meee? whut am I supposed to doooo wuuh huh huh!"
And the problem is, he doesn't provide any new light or actual answers to this issues, he just basically whines about it for an hour and pretends to be deeper than he really is. Whatever. Glad I got a refund

Heres the thing, how did it in any way describe itself as anything but a narrative driven piece?
So you didnt like it, greeeeat. Awesome. Golf clap for you. Now here you are...
Making yourself feel so special a little snowflake...
Because oh boo hoo, interacting with people is sooo harrrd...
And I cant understand why they might have different tastes to me...
And I wont provide much more in terms of answers other than that I am right, and you are all idiots...
Because whaaa whaaa whiney whine, this wasnt for me, and I demand to know whyyyy...
Because Im just going to start a thread, for a game I hated...
And Im going to spend more time whining, and crying, and going on and on and on...
Than I ever did playing the game.
Because I want people to think Im more important than I really am.
I need people to agree with me.
Why dont they all agree with me?
And why do I give a single ♥♥♥♥ when I have already gotten my money back?

...jus sayin.
2ndForm の投稿を引用:
Rando の投稿を引用:

His problems are universal. "Oh boo hoo, interacting with people is Haaaaaaard, people have expectations of meee? whut am I supposed to doooo wuuh huh huh!"
And the problem is, he doesn't provide any new light or actual answers to this issues, he just basically whines about it for an hour and pretends to be deeper than he really is. Whatever. Glad I got a refund

Heres the thing, how did it in any way describe itself as anything but a narrative driven piece?
So you didnt like it, greeeeat. Awesome. Golf clap for you. Now here you are...
Making yourself feel so special a little snowflake...
Because oh boo hoo, interacting with people is sooo harrrd...
And I cant understand why they might have different tastes to me...
And I wont provide much more in terms of answers other than that I am right, and you are all idiots...
Because whaaa whaaa whiney whine, this wasnt for me, and I demand to know whyyyy...
Because Im just going to start a thread, for a game I hated...
And Im going to spend more time whining, and crying, and going on and on and on...
Than I ever did playing the game.
Because I want people to think Im more important than I really am.
I need people to agree with me.
Why dont they all agree with me?
And why do I give a single ♥♥♥♥ when I have already gotten my money back?

...jus sayin.


Narratively-driven piece" can be said about 90% about walking simulators.

And I like hating things I dont like
Clord 2015年10月5日 6時44分 
This "walking simulators are not games" is bullcrap partially popularized by a guy I like known as John Bain (Totalbiscuit.)

Definition of a video game has nothing to do if it has failure conditions or other gameplay elements.

video game
noun
noun: video game; plural noun: video games; noun: videogame; plural noun: videogames

a game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a monitor or other display.
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