How did the Saints Row universe get so messed up?

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How did it?
First your a gangster, Join a gang and then take over. The 2nd is the same just with alot of improvements. This does sound boring but holy ♥♥♥♥ it was fun!
Then the third one. Same ♥♥♥♥ but kind of different. Now you're famous which is odd. Tons of good stuff in the 1st and 2nd are removed, oh well, game is still fun and nice to play here and there. Laser guns where really stupid, same with the whole cloning thing and not being able to kill Dex. That sucks. Still fun though.
4th one. What the ♥♥♥♥ happened? Like really we get aliens and the saints boss is the president? Who ever thought of this idea deserves to be shot in the face right in front of his family. I really want to know why the fourth one had to go down like this and the main reason why they did this is to avoid being a GTA rip off right? Why did they have to ♥♥♥♥ up the story?
Now this stupid Gat out of hell ♥♥♥♥ is coming out and the only thing that makes Gat out of hell even close to being like SR2, is purple. This series is a dissapointment.

Now, in your opinion. Why did the Saints Row series become so off topic?

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Postat inițial de LINKBITCH:

Ya know. They weren't a GTA Rip off.
Once again I respect your opinion. But for god sakes how is it a GTA Rip off?
SR has way more character customization, and they always sticked wth 1 story. GTA changes it's story constantly and switches the characters you play as. That's what made SR so unique. Now they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it all up with super powers and ♥♥♥♥. I love how games can be serious and that's when I started loving SR but then it just. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up! I will get GTA V for pc because I do like GTA. But still SR had no reason what so ever to become so stupid.
I wish SR IV was a spin off. If they did that then they could work on a real SRIV and get even more money! You know SRIV was an april fools joke at once? Then a expansion pack. Then it turned into SRIV! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid is what it is, and I will always hate the fact that they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a perfectly good story line.

Let's see.

Steal Cars? GTA Does this.
Buy Businesses and take over the City? GTA Does this.
Shoot guns at cops and mobsters/other gangs? GTA does this.

It's starting to look a lot like GTA!

I suppose it's fine if you don't like the game, but if you're so upset with the game and you don't like it, why are you here wasting time and commenting on it? Go play something else? Because there are tons of fans like myself who love the direction the game has gone and we've no problem playing the next crazy awesome thing Volition cooks up for us. I'm sorry, but it isn't going to go back to being what you want it to be.

And to be frank while I loved SR1 and SR2 I love even more SR 3 & 4. No games have made me laugh as much, have as much fun, or made me feel more like a badass than those two.

Your right this is a waste of time. But I like discussions! They're fun!
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Anyway I repsect your opinion. But there are about...I don't even know, there are so many other games where you do shoot cops and steal cars and take over and do other ♥♥♥♥ like that. Payday 2 does the cop/mob/gang killing. Dayz does the car stealing and taking over. ♥♥♥♥ like that. And that's my point. Yes the games are both similar but just because they're so similar that doesn't mean that they riped it off. But I do still like SR and GTA. I hated how the story went in SR but I still play it because it is really fun. Hell I've gotten 100% on the Third 3 times! Once vanilla the other 2 with mods. I just hate how it turned out. But I still like the two games.

[SLDFMechwarrior]

I can't fault you for that, at least you have the first 2 games to go back and play. I bet we could agree that there was a noticable graphics dip between 3 and 4, which irks me a little. But it's not the end of the world. Hopefully Gat out of Hell will not have that same issue.

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I adore Saints Row for how absolutely crazy the series has become. It's ended up filling a void of insanity that wasn't being filled elsewhere. While it started off as a GTA clone, at this point, a Sandbox game going nuts, would be classified as a Saints Row clone.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying a more serious series, but, frankly. Most game series -are- serious. You can get one where-ever you like. Saints Row, seems to go into a game not asking out things will be involving, or deep, or even a rational story. They go in with, "How can we make this more AWESOME?" And work with it from there.

They haven't just jumped the shark. They've jumped the shark, spent a few years building a mechanical super-shark that shoots lasers out of it's eyes, with a heart as black as coal, which eats atomic super-men, and then jumped that. While riding a flying tiger. Dressed as a cowboy. Cowboy Ninja.

And I love them for it.

There's something to be said about a game that says. "You know how you're playing a videogame, where essentially anything can happen, but everyone keeps things rational and down to earth? WE'VE GOT TALKING RAPTORS. Oh, you want a car chase? HOW ABOUT A GIMP CHASE. Guns getting too old for you? ♥♥♥♥ IT, HAVE SUPER-POWERS. We destroyed earth and wiped out any chance we have of rationally continuing the series? Satan. ♥♥♥♥ THAT GUY. We're saints row. Who does Satan think he is?"

Incidentally, the above rant becomes much more amusing if you imagine Cave Johnson is saying it.

Thanks, Richard. This made me laugh. This is the awesomest description of the SR series I've ever seen.

[Zoony]

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so first you say
"Who ever thought of this idea deserves to be shot in the face right in front of his family."
and then you demand that people be civil?

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Postat inițial de baruch:

so first you say
"Who ever thought of this idea deserves to be shot in the face right in front of his family."
and then you demand that people be civil?

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[MithranArkanere]

It's all one progression.

You start as a gangbanger wannabe.
Then you become the boss of a gang.
Then you become a ganbanger celebrity, the boss 'of the people'.
Then you become the boss of all international mafia.
Then you become the boss of America
Then the boss of the World.
Then the boss of the known universe.
And when there was nowhere else to go in the universe, you ended up in hell.

The theme? No one, nothing, nowhere stops the boss of the saints. They will take over EVRYTHING.

[Ultrapyre (ˊ● ω ●ˋ)]

I think Richard put it best, so I think I'll paraphrase a line I read somewhere else.

"It's good that out there, someone decided that '♥♥♥♥ it, this is a video game, let's crank it up to amazeballs and have some fun!'" and I agree with that statement. At its very root, video games are played to have FUN, so why not just stop being so srs-bsnz all the time and loosen up with some mindless fun? Admittedly whacked out humor is a rather niche sort of etertainment, but I can never get enough of it.

I heard tell someone even thought of Saints Row's progression from serious gangster business to twatting aliens as the president as some metaphorical expression of the franchise's direction as a whole, but for a game as mindless like this I suppose it's alright to not think too hard about it for once.

[Merlynn(FPEF)]

You know what's funny? No one seems to remember how bad the driving and movement controls were in SR2. Or the lack of features like the Bo-Duke-Ken or being able to combat roll or,well,anything. The sketchy parachute activation,the horrible aircraft controls,or the lack of any real difference between most of the weapons or upgrades. The insane AI or the same "dude with gun" enemies.

Oh,but the second V tries SOMETHING different,like specialists and brute minibosses and stuff? Oh it's so bad. And it's so silly! I mean,sure,the gangs in SR1 and 2 were references to movie gangs,but this one with the hackers and the wrestlers and the guys in suits? It's just too much! And cloning? That very REAL science thing? It's unbelievable! Not like the totally realistic boss fight with the voodoo guy or the zombie homies in the first 2 games. And laser planes? That's completely science fiction,unlike the UFO in SR2. And the Peewee bike was totally serious.

I really wonder if we're playing the same games here.

[martin3z]

OK ok. I'm not saying SR3 or SR4 have got wrong with mechanics. Opposite, its awesome and improved a lot since SR2. All those animations and moves mechancis of characters... something unique. I just can't understand superpowers and work with those in SR4. While SR3 was very good balance between humour in game and open world gameplay, in SR4 it's too much for me. It's just too twisted. Idk, maybe I'm too old, lol. But it's not about the story or beeing more real or not real. Story was fun and ok. It's about gameplay which changed a lot since player in SR4 has got different physics in world.

[MithranArkanere]

Those aren't really "superpowers" but the saints exploiting glitches in the simulation to simulate superpowers.

As for aliens, they were hinted in previous SRs. Some assumed they were easter eggs... turns out they were not.

[martin3z]

Whatever, dude. No matter if those are "simulated" superpowers or not. I don't care. It changes gameplay and mechanics.

[MithranArkanere]

Of course it does. Otherwise it's just the same game.

That's why so many final fantasy games have changed so much between each other. To keep things interesting.

[martin3z]

OK. Is it SR4 really interesting for you?

[MithranArkanere]

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OK. Is it SR4 really interesting for you?

To me 'interesting' means a good story and a really long plot. Like the entire Baldur's Gate series.

But whether it is 'interesting' or not, it's still fun. And that's the main point of a video game.

There's countless games with feeble plot or no plot at all that are really fun.

Saints Row shines when it comes to mindless wanton chaos and destruction. Having a blast, blasting it all, and blasted the blasted detractors who want to blast your fun, they can go eat a sheep's blast for all I care.