Greedy or Fair?

[Emil]

I get it, there's inflation—while our salaries are stagnant and prices keep climbing. Some might even argue that the Doom series still qualifies as "AAA," so maybe the price hike is justified. But when people call this move "greedy," it’s not just about the price tag. It’s about ongoing anti-consumer practices, of which I can name a few:

- Denuvo: Single-player game that need an always-online requirement due to DRM...
- Forced RTX: Instead of proper optimization, we get rushed development, relying on forced Ray Tracing to cover up poor performance (leading to blurry, artifact-riddled visuals).
- No Mick Gordon: Let’s be honest, his iconic music defined the series. How do you leave that behind?
- Price hike with a massive difference between US/EU prices (or can we blame Trump for that?)

[liner.exe]

Absolute greedy. The price tag is unfair.

[Festerblight]

ABSOLUTE GREED

[MR.Long]

Agreed! This game is an unfunny joke. It ♥♥♥♥♥ on almost all the things I fell in love with back in 2016

[thebiomage]

I'm convinced the 70 dollars / 80 euros is MS (not id software) trying to get more EU people to sign up for game pass. They looked at their stats and weren't satisfied with number of EU subscribers, so they jack up the price of one of their flagship games specifically in EU to dupe people into game pass. Bold strategy, seeing how many people are already complaining about the price.

[Monsieur Corvus]

And they don't include the true spanish dub. ♥♥♥♥ OFF!

[Emil]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย thebiomage:

I'm convinced the 70 dollars / 80 euros is MS (not id software) trying to get more EU people to sign up for game pass. They looked at their stats and weren't satisfied with number of EU subscribers, so they jack up the price of one of their flagship games specifically in EU to dupe people into game pass. Bold strategy, seeing how many people are already complaining about the price.

hmm, good point.

[LEGUSOR]

Buying such products is equivalent to supporting consumer terrorism.

[Frost]

Greedy the price and the Specs for playing the game...

[Emil]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย LEGUSOR:

Buying such products is equivalent to supporting consumer terrorism.

i agree

[_KitKat_]

$70 USD, pretty steep but the game looks to have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of content and the assets are very high quality. I buy new games rarely so I'm alright with it, but if I didn't highly trust id then idk if I'd spend that much on one game. The regional pricing is pretty awful and I'm sure it's based on some dumb international trade issue. I hope they can sort that out better for everyone outside the US who wants to enjoy the game.

The raytracing is being used for actual game mechanics as well as graphics/lighting, so it makes sense for it to be a hardware requirement. They've said they'll be using RTX in their hit detection calculations, so a card that can't perform that wouldn't be able to run the game properly. Plus honestly, it's 2025 and it's time to move along with tech. RTX doesn't "cover up" bad performance; DLSS and framegen do, and neither are directly related to RTX.
Optimization doesn't mean getting to run cutting edge games on your old laptop, it means making the most of their hardware target. This isn't the same as a random low budget studio game made in UE5 with asset store bundles and lots of overhead from unused/misused engine features. RTX (particularly for lights) is computationally intense, as are huge open maps with tons of very complicated AI stuffed in. id is always careful to get their games running on as much hardware as possible, but realistically you're not gonna get Dark Ages running on a machine that can't do what Dark Ages needs to function.

[_KitKat_]

my bad, a "boatload" of content

[Emil]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย _KitKat_:

$70 USD, pretty steep but the game looks to have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of content and the assets are very high quality. I buy new games rarely so I'm alright with it, but if I didn't highly trust id then idk if I'd spend that much on one game. The regional pricing is pretty awful and I'm sure it's based on some dumb international trade issue. I hope they can sort that out better for everyone outside the US who wants to enjoy the game.

The raytracing is being used for actual game mechanics as well as graphics/lighting, so it makes sense for it to be a hardware requirement. They've said they'll be using RTX in their hit detection calculations, so a card that can't perform that wouldn't be able to run the game properly. Plus honestly, it's 2025 and it's time to move along with tech. RTX doesn't "cover up" bad performance; DLSS and framegen do, and neither are directly related to RTX.
Optimization doesn't mean getting to run cutting edge games on your old laptop, it means making the most of their hardware target. This isn't the same as a random low budget studio game made in UE5 with asset store bundles and lots of overhead from unused/misused engine features. RTX (particularly for lights) is computationally intense, as are huge open maps with tons of very complicated AI stuffed in. id is always careful to get their games running on as much hardware as possible, but realistically you're not gonna get Dark Ages running on a machine that can't do what Dark Ages needs to function.

yeah. to me it's the regional pricing that is a bit infuriating (topped up with the other points that I mentioned in the thread description).
the thing with RTX is that it's all fake. I own a 4070S GPU. was really excited to upgrade and I've actually upgraded from a 3070. I can tell you...the difference is slim if we don't consider Frame Gen and DLSS. But this is the thing, we SHOULDN'T consider it, because the tech is not there yet. It really isn't. I'll be curious and hopefully the new Doom proves me wrong, but I doubt it. I have resorted to play with Ray tracing off and i've had a MUCH better experience since I'm doint that. It's a shame to hear gaming will go into a direction where I won't be able to choose that. It's clear to me that that is a profit driven decision.
The thing is, games bake textures with ray tracing now and if they actually spend time to do optimizations, the game will run AND look much better without ray tracing. the quality lost (in ray traced shadows and lighting) is minimal if they take the time to do the optimisations.
i really liked the idea of RTX, but tech isn't there yet. that;s the truth. forcing RTX ... is an unconsumer friendly decision imo. I'm all for it to progress to the next tech, as I have a fairly strong rig. I won't be affected by this, but I don't like the direction the industry is going when they simply let all optimisation development go to UE5's Nanite system and they brush it off with TAA. It really doesn't look good.
Here, check out this guy. He is explaining it better than me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEtX_Z7zZSY&t=0s

[The Goopie]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Emil:

I get it, there's inflation—while our salaries are stagnant and prices keep climbing. Some might even argue that the Doom series still qualifies as "AAA," so maybe the price hike is justified. But when people call this move "greedy," it’s not just about the price tag. It’s about ongoing anti-consumer practices, of which I can name a few:

- Denuvo: Single-player game that need an always-online requirement due to DRM...
- Forced RTX: Instead of proper optimization, we get rushed development, relying on forced Ray Tracing to cover up poor performance (leading to blurry, artifact-riddled visuals).
- No Mick Gordon: Let’s be honest, his iconic music defined the series. How do you leave that behind?
- Price hike with a massive difference between US/EU prices (or can we blame Trump for that?)

do they have you at a gunpoint forcing you to buy it? No so it's fair, they have every right to put the price as high as the consumer is willing to pay.
If the consumer was not willing to pay 80$, the price would go down.

[Ultrakill_Enjoyer]

What do you mean massive difference in price between the European version and the american? It's 70 USD and also 70 Euros, I know Euros are worth a little bit more than USD but that is the same number my guy

[Ultrakill_Enjoyer]

I just checked and for the European price you're essentially paying three dollars and sixty cents extra compared to the USD price, that's not really a big deal if you're already buying a 70 dollar game