2-Day Early Access For People With Poor Business Sense

[HighLanderPony]

A shame really.

Don't buy early, go against this terrible practice.

[Carbon]

Originalmente postado por tpowl1400:

It's anti-consumer if a game comes out as something that you can only proceed with additional pocket opener to progress through a base game. It used to be that dlcs were also included in the base game for free but nobody complains about developers anymore who charge you separately for additional dlcs, whether they charge you just for additional skins (which is needed by the way for additional modded skins done by modding community) or additional storyline.

The meaning of anti-consumer has changed over the years and really course corrected itself for the better part of gaming community to consider what can be denoted "Anti-consumer"

You've no idea what you're talking about. You should look up exactly what "anti-consumer" means.

Id make an offer. I take that offer and get what I paid for or trust that I will, based on a strong history. There is nothing anti-consumer about this scenario. You are motivated to call it what it isn't because it fits whatever narrative you're pushing for whatever reason.

[count_zakkula]

Ive been waiting 4 years for this, ill pay extra to get it early, unless you wanna pay for it for me. Otherwise who cares bro

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por tpowl1400:

@tfa, It's one of representative ones. Dev asking you to pay extra money for early access regardless of how many days earlier isn't forced on you. You don't like it, dont even bother looking at it. You don't complain when devs give out free demos , do you? Why do you call it anti-consumer or even care if they give you an option of purchasing a game at hiked price for early access then?

Look at Path of Exile 2 which is still under paywall for access. Do you consider that being anti-consumer product knowing it will come to be available for free some time this year?

What do demos have to do with the topic? No one was forcing people to use lootboxes either but that got banned in some countries. No one is forcing people to smoke crack but it's illegal. Advanced access preys on peoples vulnerabilities. Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee says he will only get it for you now if you agree to make another purchase worth 40% of the GPU cost. Otherwise you can come back in 2 days and get the GPU with no strings attached.

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por Carbon:

Originalmente postado por HighLanderPony:

I care because in this case, it affects everyone in gaming. You should, too.

Talk about moving the goalposts. Okay then, get your hand off of others' wallets *and* don't dictate when they should purchase what they want to purchase.

That's not moving the goalposts. That's simply the reason why he started the thread in the first place.

[space]

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee won't get it for you unless you agree to make another purchase that's almost half the cost of the GPU.

imagine is right as premium doesn't block you from buying standard edition

your comparison isn't even close to applicable

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por space:

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee won't get it for you unless you agree to make another purchase that's almost half the cost of the GPU.

imagine is right as premium doesn't block you from buying standard edition

your comparison isn't even close to applicable

Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee says he will only get it for you now if you agree to make another purchase worth 40% of the GPU cost. Otherwise you can come back in 2 days and get the GPU with no strings attached.

[space]

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee says he will only get it for you now if you agree to make another purchase worth 40% of the GPU cost. Otherwise you can come back in 2 days and get the GPU with no strings attached.

why do you keep repeating this? like i just said, not an applicable comparison as there's nothing keeping you from buying standard edition

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por space:

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Imagine if you went into Microcenter to buy a GPU. It's right there in the locked display cabinet but the employee says he will only get it for you now if you agree to make another purchase worth 40% of the GPU cost. Otherwise you can come back in 2 days and get the GPU with no strings attached.

why do you keep repeating this? like i just said, not an applicable comparison as there's nothing keeping you from buying standard edition

I updated it to add a 2 day wait period for standard price. Should other industries start doing advanced access? How about tiered movie releases. Movie ticket prices 40% higher for the first 3 days? Should Netflix add a premium plus tier where you get access to new content 3 days sooner?

[Carbon]

Originalmente postado por tfa:

I updated it to add a 2 day wait period for standard price. Should other industries start doing advanced access? How about tiered movie releases. Movie ticket prices 40% higher for the first 3 days? Should Netflix add a premium plus tier where you get access to new content 3 days sooner?

Who cares if they do? It's still your choice to engage with the practice or not. Rail against it all you like, but you can only speak for yourself, as others are as free as you to do what they want with their money. Past stating your personal opinion you get into the area of making your opinion some kind of moral/ethical standard which others should follow, which is clearly absurd.

You should look into some basic principles of economics. If I offer to pre-sell my pending belly button lint for $1000 and people pay me for it months in advance, is anyone doing anything wrong? If I offer different sizes of the lint ball? Different compositions based on what I wear? Exclusive lint balls for days I wear a tux?

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por Carbon:

Originalmente postado por tfa:

I updated it to add a 2 day wait period for standard price. Should other industries start doing advanced access? How about tiered movie releases. Movie ticket prices 40% higher for the first 3 days? Should Netflix add a premium plus tier where you get access to new content 3 days sooner?

Who cares if they do? It's still your choice to engage with the practice or not. Rail against it all you like, but you can only speak for yourself, as others are as free as you to do what they want with their money. Past stating your personal opinion you get into the area of making your opinion some kind of moral/ethical standard which others should follow, which is clearly absurd.

You should look into some basic principles of economics. If I offer to pre-sell my pending belly button lint for $1000 and people pay me for it months in advance, is anyone doing anything wrong? If I offer different sizes of the lint ball? Different compositions based on what I wear? Exclusive lint balls for days I wear a tux?

This isn't about preordering. it's about penalizing people who only want to spend $70.

[djcarey]

It's DOOM tho

[Carbon]

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Originalmente postado por Carbon:

Who cares if they do? It's still your choice to engage with the practice or not. Rail against it all you like, but you can only speak for yourself, as others are as free as you to do what they want with their money. Past stating your personal opinion you get into the area of making your opinion some kind of moral/ethical standard which others should follow, which is clearly absurd.

You should look into some basic principles of economics. If I offer to pre-sell my pending belly button lint for $1000 and people pay me for it months in advance, is anyone doing anything wrong? If I offer different sizes of the lint ball? Different compositions based on what I wear? Exclusive lint balls for days I wear a tux?

This isn't about preordering. it's about penalizing people who only want to spend $70.

There's no penalty. You just don't get more than you were willing to pay for earlier than anyone else. Again, economics. A fair exchange based on what you feel a product or transaction is worth. They aren't selling you half of the game at any price and even if they were, you can choose not to buy it.

Anyway, you can't rationalize your way into being right. At least not publicly...feel free to delude yourself privately.

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por Carbon:

Originalmente postado por tfa:

This isn't about preordering. it's about penalizing people who only want to spend $70.

There's no penalty. You just don't get more than you were willing to pay for earlier than anyone else. Again, economics. A fair exchange based on what you feel a product or transaction is worth. They aren't selling you half of the game at any price and even if they were, you can choose not to buy it.

Anyway, you can't rationalize your way into being right. At least not publicly...feel free to delude yourself privately.

Just because people are willing to pay extra to play early doesn't mean it's ethical.

The penalty is that many people are going to have to work hard at overcoming the temptation to pay extra to play at launch. You are basically forced into buying a bundle to play at launch. No different than a store doing a bundle on a new GPU or console.

[Kunovega]

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Originalmente postado por Carbon:

There's no penalty. You just don't get more than you were willing to pay for earlier than anyone else. Again, economics. A fair exchange based on what you feel a product or transaction is worth. They aren't selling you half of the game at any price and even if they were, you can choose not to buy it.

Anyway, you can't rationalize your way into being right. At least not publicly...feel free to delude yourself privately.

Just because people are willing to pay extra to play early doesn't mean it's ethical.

The penalty is that many people are going to have to work hard at overcoming the temptation to pay extra to play at launch. You are basically forced into buying a bundle to play at launch. No different than a store doing a bundle on a new GPU or console.

You don't pay extra to play early, you pay extra for the extra content (including a DLC), if you happen to buy it early you also get to play early. It's not like the price is going to change for the content if you wait (and then you don't get the extra time)

[tfa]

Originalmente postado por Kunovega:

Originalmente postado por tfa:

Just because people are willing to pay extra to play early doesn't mean it's ethical.

The penalty is that many people are going to have to work hard at overcoming the temptation to pay extra to play at launch. You are basically forced into buying a bundle to play at launch. No different than a store doing a bundle on a new GPU or console.

You don't pay extra to play early, you pay extra for the extra content (including a DLC), if you happen to buy it early you also get to play early. It's not like the price is going to change for the content if you wait (and then you don't get the extra time)

Why are so many publishers now doing advanced access if it didn't help with deluxe version sales? Advanced access is the only thing mentioned for the premium edition in the add to cart section. Scroll down and there are 2 images for premium and advanced access is the clearly the main attraction. The image says upgrade to premium for advanced access and more.