Let's be real the price isn't the issue

[-sword]

Dark ages is what doom 3 was to the first two games, You'll either hate it for trying something new or love it for being so different.

[Some Helldiver]

No, the price is absolutely an issue (coming from someone who bought Eternal day 1). I'm not paying $70 for one game, I could buy anywhere from 3 to 10 indie games that are utterly fantastic and will leave me wanting for another experience like it for the same amount of money. If I want more of DOOM I can just... go play a cheaper DOOM game, or I can go play one of the dozens of high-quality boomer shooters being released by smaller studios for less than half the money.

In a world where everything is getting more and more expensive, it's getting harder and harder to justify forking out the extra $$$ for these "AAA" games that just don't have a lasting imjpact on me. This isn't just DOOM either, this goes for pretty much all of the titles being released at this price point. They need to offer something seriously revolutionary or I won't buy them, I can get better value supporting individual developers instead.

[n050up4u]

But but but..
doom3 was closer to doom1 and 2 over 2016/eternal/dark ages.

Original games didnt feel like you were some gifted godbro on a perpetual mission from the church to slap some demons around.

original doom - you're just a dude
doom 2 - you're just a dude, but you got beef
doom3 - felt like a reboot, but you're just a dude who has to be careful around corners because imp gonna slap you.

[alex010300]

Nope, the price is the big issue those who do not want to use game pass will continue to bash the game while it’s too expensive to buy.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

So this is interesting.
Redlettermedia published a video some time ago talking about why people are not going to the theaters, not only are their indie recommendations just terrible, they fail to understand that we are in a recession and the effects of the pandemic, the war and now the tariffs have created an environment where the public does not feel confident enough to spend money on entertainment and hobbies, the reality is that $80 is not a good pricing model especially because the real price is way above that accounting for taxes, dlc, battlepasses and side content.

The industry needs to scale down their projects.
What is really odd is that the Switch 2 resolution is 360p upscaled to hell, so Nintendo is charging $80+ for games that should have budgets similar to that of games from 15 years ago.

I mean this was the only game I was buying at full price this year and I still think it is underwhelming. I am not doing this for any other game, in fact, I am doubling down on my position to never get a game on launch.

[[GTH]]

Sure thing, the 100$ price tag for the premium 2-days-early-access to the bug-report thread on forum due to the game not letting anyone on Steam in definitely didn't affect the potential customers at all.

[karmazyn1]

Price is the issue, game is not. Lets be honest here, rich corpos want to be richer. They use us as money bags, squeezing harder and harder. Top 10 mens' wealth increased by 386 billions last year. It would take 10 american workers 782,000 years to accumalete such wralth. Let that sink in. Vote with your wallets.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

Originally posted by karmazyn1:

Price is the issue, game is not. Lets be honest here, rich corpos want to be richer. They use us as money bags, squeezing harder and harder. Top 10 mens' wealth increased by 386 billions last year. It would take 10 american workers 782,000 years to accumalete such wralth. Let that sink in. Vote with your wallets.

This dude is comparing Id Software to Lockhead Martin, Amazon and Pfizer.
I mean I like the cut of your jib and I agree executives are ruining everything we hold dear in the altar of profit but dial it down a notch.

[karmazyn1]

Originally posted by Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

Originally posted by karmazyn1:

Price is the issue, game is not. Lets be honest here, rich corpos want to be richer. They use us as money bags, squeezing harder and harder. Top 10 mens' wealth increased by 386 billions last year. It would take 10 american workers 782,000 years to accumalete such wralth. Let that sink in. Vote with your wallets.

This dude is comparing Id Software to Lockhead Martin, Amazon and Pfizer.
I mean I like the cut of your jib and I agree executives are ruining everything we hold dear in the altar of profit but dial it down a notch.

Id Software is owned by the Microsoft......one of the biggest and wealthiest corporations on our planet.nuff said.

[Munchies]

I don't remember the last time I bought a game that is not at least 50% off ... or in humble bundle with 10 other games for 15 euro ....

If you have a life outside internet you can, you know, live it and when some game you've been waiting for goes on Steam for 20 bucks ... cudos ... a weekend of gaming.

I will never, ever buy a game for full price. Ever. For me the highest I will ever pay for a game is 20 euro. I don't care when, sooner or later all games go on sale and they even have more content and have less bugs, so it's a win - win for me.

The only reason games are selling for 100 euro is because there are whales that buy them because they have no self control or no life in the real world. They make me sad.

Welp, time to go learn how to play music on my MPC one plus. Ta ta ...

[DeadSlash]

Originally posted by karmazyn1:

Price is the issue, game is not. Lets be honest here, rich corpos want to be richer. They use us as money bags, squeezing harder and harder. Top 10 mens' wealth increased by 386 billions last year. It would take 10 american workers 782,000 years to accumalete such wralth. Let that sink in. Vote with your wallets.

Do you think that if games were free we would have more, better games? Or less?

If a law passed today that made it illegal to sell video games, and mandated that they be given out free to all who wanted to play them, do you think the quality of games would go up? If so, please explain how and why.

[Nihil]

Nah there are several issues and the price is one of the biggest ones.

Originally posted by -sword:

Dark ages is what doom 3 was to the first two games, You'll either hate it for trying something new or love it for being so different.

Eternal was actually what Doom3 was to the first two games.
It started with Eternal where iD took this huge turn and went full nuts with all these out of the box forced game mechanics. Dark Ages is just following up on that formula.

Eternal was so loved and cheered by people who were kinda new to the Doom franchise because they didn't had any nostalgic and emotional connection to it. They just saw a cool looking fast paced game. Which is fine but wasn't Doom.

That was the same with Doom 3. People who see Doom 3 as (one of) the best Doom titles were new generational gamer kids who were too young to grew up on original Doom. Which was also fine. But the issue was that every time a new entry to a franchise gets new fans on board, the new fans are always hostile and ignorant towards the o.g fans who helped elevate the game franchise into what it is now.

[karmazyn1]

Originally posted by DeadSlash:

Originally posted by karmazyn1:

Price is the issue, game is not. Lets be honest here, rich corpos want to be richer. They use us as money bags, squeezing harder and harder. Top 10 mens' wealth increased by 386 billions last year. It would take 10 american workers 782,000 years to accumalete such wralth. Let that sink in. Vote with your wallets.

Do you think that if games were free we would have more, better games? Or less?

If a law passed today that made it illegal to sell video games, and mandated that they be given out free to all who wanted to play them, do you think the quality of games would go up? If so, please explain how and why.

There is no reason to increase price of the games. Corpos have enough profit and thats it. Games quality is actually decreasing year on year and the price is going up. Games are deconstructed and built in a modular way which favours paid content, paid DLCs etc. You end up paying more and more for basic peoduct and even more for full, rich experience. Something which was available on day 1 is given for additional money. Releases are rushed, games are poorly optimized and games are released with less and less content. There is no justifiction to increase the prices. Publishers post record breaking profits year on year.

[Nomad]

It's not just price, it's also INSANE hardware requirements. Requiring RTX to play this game was a huge mistake too. I was lucky enough to be able to snag a RX 9700 XT on launch day and avoided the tariffs but many didnt and now those GPUs are upwards of $800. A last gen card is no cheaper either and buying a new NShittya card is out of the question between their high prices and terrible drivers.

[tenscore]

Paying such a high price for a game you do not own is monumentally stupid.
Prices like this used to provide a DVD, Manual, Box and Box Art, and you can install it on your desktop and laptop.

This, "pay full price for a license" is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
If Steam shuts down, all your "purchases" aren't worth ♥♥♥♥.

[Jester]

Quake 4 was the better Doom 3 anyway.